NBC news stupidity

Roger Halstead wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:51:28 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:


B2431 wrote:


From: Mark Hickey
Date: 8/13/2004 5:07 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

(B2431) wrote:



Let's take this out of aviation for a moment. If you were at a stoplight

and


some guy opened your passenger door and hopped in then produced a box cutter
and said "Hi, I'm from NBC and I just proved how easy it is to car jack" you
would still feel threatened.

I just had a mental picture of the driver saying "Hi, I'm from the NRA
and I just proved how easy it is for this here 9mm to blow a few nice
holes in a carjacker... sorry about the shirt and all..."

Mark Hickey


9mm? You heathen!! I carry a 45.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

The example was obviously a female NRA member. I also carry a .45 or a
.44 Mag. The .44 is a little unwieldly though in tight quarters, but I
do like the extra firepower and it is more accurate than my .45. I
imagine the muzzle blast in a cockpit would be truly impressive. You


9mm with HP "Hydra-shok"

Oh, you'd be able to hear again... In a couple of hours to a couple of
days although the ringing in your ears my stay for the rest of your
life. :-)) Anything other than small caliber inside a confined space
is deafening and I mean that literally.

What'd you say? :-)

I think the velocity of the bullet is much more of a factor than its
size. My .220 Swift and 7MM are much louder than my .45 or even .44 Mag.


wouldn't even have to hit the terrorist to put him out of commission.


Or the pilot for that matter. The 45 has relatively low chamber and
muzzle pressure, but the 44 has considerably higher pressures and
attendant noise.

True, the .44 velocity is much higher than the .45, and affect on the
target is much greater as well. :-)
I'm just a big bore fan. Anything less than .41 Mag is a toy in my
book. Great for practice and target shooting (love my Ruger 22/45), but
for serious business I'll take one of my big bores any day.


Matt

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "TaxSrv"
Date: 8/13/2004 8:52 AM Central Daylight Time
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I am no lawyer*, but it would seem to me that if the victims felt
threatened
then a threat had been conveyed which I believe IS a crime.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

What crime would that be? If I feel that you have threatened me, does that
in and of itself constitute a crime?

*Decidedly

Of course, none of this has anything to do with RAH, does it?

From: Matt Whiting


That's about the only way a .30 carbine can do any damage! :-)

Matt

Actually the .30 caliber has been the butt of many jokes. The round was never
intended to be a pistol round. The rifle was bought by the Army for men whose
primary weapon was NOT a rifle. In fact out to about 75 meters it is a
reasonably accurate weapon with good stopping power. At that range I'd take it
over any standard side arm. Given a choice of the carbine or garand I'd take
the garand however. Then again I am a big guy and carrying that beast is easy
for me.

What does this have to do with RAH?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

jls wrote:

"B2431" wrote in message
...

From: "TaxSrv"
Date: 8/13/2004 8:52 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


I am no lawyer*, but it would seem to me that if the victims felt

threatened

then a threat had been conveyed which I believe IS a crime.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


What crime would that be? If I feel that you have threatened me, does that
in and of itself constitute a crime?

Yes, you can be charged with what is called "terrorist threats." This
has been around a long time, long before 9/11.


Matt

B2431 wrote:

From: Matt Whiting


That's about the only way a .30 carbine can do any damage! :-)

Matt


Actually the .30 caliber has been the butt of many jokes. The round was never
intended to be a pistol round. The rifle was bought by the Army for men whose
primary weapon was NOT a rifle. In fact out to about 75 meters it is a
reasonably accurate weapon with good stopping power. At that range I'd take it
over any standard side arm. Given a choice of the carbine or garand I'd take
the garand however. Then again I am a big guy and carrying that beast is easy
for me.

What does this have to do with RAH?

Defense against terrorists trying to hijack GA aircraft, homebuilt or
otherwise. :-)


Matt

In article , Matt Whiting says...

What crime would that be? If I feel that you have threatened me, does that
in and of itself constitute a crime?

Yes, you can be charged with what is called "terrorist threats." This
has been around a long time, long before 9/11.

Just ask those who have been accused of being terrorists by zoom
campbell,because "he" felt he was being threatened by us. Depends on your
definition of threaten because by zooms definition anyone who disagrees with
him is threatening him....Therefore...

That's how this pertains to RAH :-)

See ya
Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
...
In article , Matt Whiting says...

What crime would that be? If I feel that you have threatened me, does
that
in and of itself constitute a crime?

Yes, you can be charged with what is called "terrorist threats." This
has been around a long time, long before 9/11.

Just ask those who have been accused of being terrorists by zoom
campbell,because "he" felt he was being threatened by us. Depends on your
definition of threaten because by zooms definition anyone who disagrees
with
him is threatening him....Therefore...

That's how this pertains to RAH :-)

See ya
Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


Which is just exactly the point I was trying to make. The law of
communication of threats is objective, not subjective. A person may feel
threatened by perfectly innocuous, legitimate speech, either verbal or
nonverbal. Therefore, violation of law by communicating a threat must
contain an unambiguous communication putting the victim in present objective
fear of impending violence.

Thus, if I were to walk up to timid Mattie and frighten him with a cane in
my hand and say, "If it were not assize time, I would whack you upside the
head," or flip him off, the encounter, standing alone, would not constitute
a threat.

"Matt Whiting" wrote:
Yes, you can be charged with what is called "terrorist threats."
This
has been around a long time, long before 9/11.

If that is 18 USC 2331 titled terrorism, there was no was violation of
it the way it reads. They made no threat nor acted in a threatening
manner. The content of the backpacks was unknown to the FBO, and they
were not items whose sole purpose is to cause harm. If they had a
genuine bomb, that would be different, and probably chargeable only
under another law.

People were getting freaked out by white vans in the Washington sniper
case. If you drove a white van there back then, is it OK by you to be
arrested and charged? The nonshooter I think was additionally charged
under a Virginia terror statute.

Fred F.

Hmmm...no slug required, a single shot flame thrower...

--
Dan D.
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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"Roger Halstead" wrote in message news
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:29:43 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
The example was obviously a female NRA member. I also carry a .45 or a
.44 Mag. The .44 is a little unwieldly though in tight quarters, but I
do like the extra firepower and it is more accurate than my .45. I
imagine the muzzle blast in a cockpit would be truly impressive. You
wouldn't even have to hit the terrorist to put him out of commission.


I had a Ruger .30 carbine revolver with a loose cylinder/barrel gap. The
crack of the report would kill a crow at thirty feet and the side blast from
the cylinder would blow the hats off the guys shooting at the stations to
your left and right.

Rich "The crow was old and had a heart condition" S.

Back in "The old Days" I attended a turkey shoot at the Ithica Gun
Club (Ithica MI). One gunsmith had built up a revolver based on the
Colt Peacemaker. The only difference which made the thing memorable
was the cartridge. It was chambered for the 45-70. That cylinder was
huge. For that matter so was the revolver. Not that the 45-70 makes a
practical pistol cartridge. Half the powder was still unburned when
it went out the muzzle in a very spectacular fashion. Just think of
the attention on the firing like when you start slipping those huge
cartridges into the cylinder. :-))

Man, talk about thread drift.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:39:19 -0700, Richard Riley
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:15:20 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:

:"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
:
: Hey, I carry a 9mm and I aint no lady neither. A .45 is just too fat and
: heavy.
:
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:Rich "That's *my* portable half-inch drill" S.

Huh? They're back in business? I thought they were gone forever. I
still have a combat master I picked up in '80. Very sweet little 45 -
though I haven't carried it in years. These days it's a Glock 30.

They have a very nice series of polymer DAOs even up through 40 cal.
Not sure about 10mm. Very light pull with the safety in the trigger.
Yah have to lean not to keep your finger on the trigger. I't only a
couple # pull. My S&W is something like 9# on #1 and about 3 for the
rest.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com