Aircraft Carrier naming

Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.

absolutely concur, although Reagan, with his rewarded efforts to end the
40-year Cold War, I think an exception could be made. We could do with a USS
England ("they'll always be a USS England" - only warship to locate and sink
six enemy submarines!). Just glad they had a USS (The) Sullivans. Is it still
in commission..?

I've always been bothered by this trend, even if the namesake has been dead
for a while.

Unfortunately I suspect this was / still is a necessary "evil" for the Navy
to get the force it needs. Especially concerning those ships named for
congressional bigwigs.

And I know exactly which ship type I'd like named for SEN Clinton.
(Actually, a whole class of ships honoring the likes of Hilary Clinton, Pat
Schroeder, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi . . . and of course Monica Lewinski.)
g

--
Mike Kanze

"If it's good enough to get shot at in, it's good enough to wear to
McDonalds."

- CDR Doug "Woody" Beal, USN (Referring to the wearing of military uniform
clothing, like flight suits, off-base.)


"Bob" wrote in message
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Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.

Mike Kanze wrote:

I've always been bothered by this trend, even if the namesake has been dead
for a while.

Unfortunately I suspect this was / still is a necessary "evil" for the Navy
to get the force it needs. Especially concerning those ships named for
congressional bigwigs.

And I know exactly which ship type I'd like named for SEN Clinton.
(Actually, a whole class of ships honoring the likes of Hilary Clinton, Pat
Schroeder, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi . . . and of course Monica Lewinski.)
g


Either tramp steamers or ships that go down.

George

In article ,
on Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:35:14 -0600,
George Shirley attempted to say .....

Mike Kanze wrote:

I've always been bothered by this trend, even if the namesake has been dead
for a while.

Unfortunately I suspect this was / still is a necessary "evil" for the Navy
to get the force it needs. Especially concerning those ships named for
congressional bigwigs.

And I know exactly which ship type I'd like named for SEN Clinton.
(Actually, a whole class of ships honoring the likes of Hilary Clinton, Pat
Schroeder, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi . . . and of course Monica Lewinski.)
g


Either tramp steamers or ships that go down.

Tramp Steamers.

Ships that go down (submarines) are named after fish !

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"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
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Ships that go down (submarines) are named after fish !

Actually, only three of them are currently named for fish/aquatic animals,
the Seawolf (SSN-21), the Dolphin (AGSS-555) and the Cutthroat (LSV-2) that
I can find. Most are named for cities and states:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...etop.html#subs

You can check out each class of submarine from this website.

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Gizmo

In article ,
on Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:19:46 GMT,
gizmo-goddard attempted to say .....

"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
.net...

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Ships that go down (submarines) are named after fish !

Actually, only three of them are currently named for fish/aquatic animals,
the Seawolf (SSN-21), the Dolphin (AGSS-555) and the Cutthroat (LSV-2) that
I can find. Most are named for cities and states:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...etop.html#subs

You can check out each class of submarine from this website.


I know, just further examples of the madness......

;')




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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

On 1/17/04 7:18 PM, in article , "Mike
Kanze" wrote:

I've always been bothered by this trend, even if the namesake has been dead
for a while.

Unfortunately I suspect this was / still is a necessary "evil" for the Navy
to get the force it needs. Especially concerning those ships named for
congressional bigwigs.

And I know exactly which ship type I'd like named for SEN Clinton.
(Actually, a whole class of ships honoring the likes of Hilary Clinton, Pat
Schroeder, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi . . . and of course Monica Lewinski.)
g


Owl, I respect your opinion immensely, but it kind of reminds me of Charles
Durning (Senator) in "The Final Countdown" Protesting about ADM Nimitz's
name being on CVN-68.

I understand the risks (what if the namesake disgraces the name
post-christening), but I've never put that much thought into it, so it's
never bothered me. Perhaps I need to gel an opinion. That having been
said...

--
Mike Kanze

"If it's good enough to get shot at in, it's good enough to wear to
McDonalds."

- CDR Doug "Woody" Beal, USN (Referring to the wearing of military uniform
clothing, like flight suits, off-base.)
USNR actually

What's THIS! You're quoting me?

Now THAT'S something new. Truth be told, I'm not the original author. I
plagiarized the phrase from a buddy (anonymous Naval aviator?). I'm just
the first to say it in RAMN--even though I still stand by the belief.

Can't take credit for another man's greatness.

--Woody



"Bob" wrote in message
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Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time? I'm sure that Carl Vinson
(CVN-70) & John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did good thing but to have a
carrier named after them? I wish the US Navy would go back to naming
carriers after famous battles & ships. Would it not be great to have
in the fleet carriers again named USS Hornet, Lexington, Saratoga,
Oriskany. It would honor the sailors that served on these great ships.

What's THIS! You're quoting me?

Now THAT'S something new. Truth be told, I'm not the original author. I
plagiarized the phrase from a buddy (anonymous Naval aviator?). I'm just
the first to say it in RAMN--even though I still stand by the belief.

Can't take credit for another man's greatness.

Woody,

Thanks for clarifying your role in the evolution of the quote, and for
crediting your bud. However, you were the first (AFAIK) to put it into
print.

And there are your ~15 minutes of fame. g

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Bob wrote in message
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Anybody else bothered by the naming of US aircraft carriers after
people who were still living at the time?

Yes. The risk is that the person will do something to disgrace their name
and then the name of the ship. If the person is deceased, then that risk
goes down considerably.

I remember a situation in the midwest where a University (which had no
building naming policy) named a building after a beloved football coach that
was still alive and still coaching and not all that old either. Later
someone filed a complaint against the coach for something and there was an
investigation which revealed all types of wrongdoing - financial,
recruiting, and otherwise. After that, the University changed the name of
the building which caused an even bigger scandal because then the coach and
the family felt that they were wronged...etc..etc. Changing the name of
the building cost the University quite a bit of money too. You can rest
assured that after that incident, the University came up with a building
naming policy that included, among other things, that the person had to be
deceased for five years before their name could be submitted for a building.
Its not foolproof, but I guess they decided that if something bad was going
to show up, it would show up within five years of the person's death.

And in answer to another poster's question, I believe that the USS (The)
Sullivans is still a commissioned ship.


JD