Proposed new flightseeing rule

NAFI sent this alert to its members. Note the EAA concern about charity
flights with vintage aircraft such as Aluminum Overcast:

Instructional News


FAA Proposes Flight-seeing Rule

The FAA published on Oct. 22 a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) that it
claims will improve national air tour safety. Among other things, the
proposal would raise the minimum number of hours required for pilots
conducting charity fundraising flights from 200 to 500 and remove an
exemption that allows Part 91 sightseeing flights within 25 nm of an
airport. Commercial sightseeing flights will fall under a new FAR Part 136,
and some current Part 91 operations may require either Part 121 or 135
certification. Only eligible charity/community events will remain under Part
91.

NAFI is reviewing the rule and developing its response as to how the rule
will affect flight instructors' and flight schools' ability to provide
general aviation flight experiences to people in their communities.

"This proposed rule is a real slap in the face to Part 91 pilots who
contribute their time and services to worthy causes, and to small
businesspeople just trying to earn an income," said AOPA Senior Vice
President of Government and Technical Affairs Andy Cebula. "The FAA claims
the change is for safety reasons, but they provide no safety data or
statistics to justify the jump in flight hours required to conduct
charitable fundraising flights."

The proposed rule is modeled on Special Federal Aviation Regulation (SFAR)
71, which governs the Hawaiian commercial air tour industry. FAA credits
this SFAR with lowering the air tour accident rate in that state from a high
of 3.46 per 100,000 flight miles (1989-1994) to 1.48 (1995-2000). FAA now
seeks to apply the regulations throughout the country.

The data used to justify lifting the sightseeing exemption and require the
operators to be certified as Part 135 are a jumble of Part 135 and Part 91
accident reports, according to AOPA. But of the 11 accidents cited in the
NPRM, eight occurred in Hawaii, and most were apparently already operating
as Part 135 flights, AOPA says.

According to EAA, the NPRM would adversely affect the operations of these
vintage aircraft used in flight-seeing operations. That could force
grounding of the association's Ford Tri-Motor and B-17 Aluminum Overcast,
because income derived from flights provides the resources with which owners
preserve and maintain them.

To comment on the NPRM, visit the Federal Docket Management System at
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm. The NPRM is Docket No. 4521.
The comment period ends on January 20, 2004.



--
Christopher J. Campbell
World Famous Flight Instructor
Port Orchard, WA


For the Homeland!

"C J Campbell" wrote
NAFI sent this alert to its members. Note the EAA concern about charity
flights with vintage aircraft such as Aluminum Overcast:

Instructional News


FAA Proposes Flight-seeing Rule

The FAA published on Oct. 22 a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) that
it
claims will improve national air tour safety. Among other things, the
proposal would raise the minimum number of hours required for pilots
conducting charity fundraising flights from 200 to 500 and remove an
exemption that allows Part 91 sightseeing flights within 25 nm of an
airport.

I'd like to see a map of what *isn't* within 25 nm of an airport, especially
East of the Mississippi!

For the Homeland!

The more I hear the word "homeland" lately, the less this is a land I wanna
call home.

Eric

In article ,
Eric Miller wrote:


"C J Campbell" wrote
NAFI sent this alert to its members. Note the EAA concern about charity
flights with vintage aircraft such as Aluminum Overcast:

Instructional News


FAA Proposes Flight-seeing Rule

The FAA published on Oct. 22 a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) that
it
claims will improve national air tour safety. Among other things, the
proposal would raise the minimum number of hours required for pilots
conducting charity fundraising flights from 200 to 500 and remove an
exemption that allows Part 91 sightseeing flights within 25 nm of an
airport.

I'd like to see a map of what *isn't* within 25 nm of an airport, especially
East of the Mississippi!

There's a _whole_lot_ of Lake Michigan, Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, and Lake
Huron that meets _that_ requirement. *snicker*


Of course, I'm not sure how you'd get a flight off the ground, without coming
within 25nm of an airport. A compliant *landing*, OTOH, _is_ possible -- but
*not* recommended. snort

"Eric Miller" wrote in message . ..

I'd like to see a map of what *isn't* within 25 nm of an airport, especially
East of the Mississippi!

Not "an airport" the "airport of departure". The exemption is for non-stop
sightseeing flights that stay with 25 miles of their departure point.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
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| "Eric Miller" wrote in message
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| I'd like to see a map of what *isn't* within 25 nm of an airport,
especially
| East of the Mississippi!
|
| Not "an airport" the "airport of departure". The exemption is for
non-stop
| sightseeing flights that stay with 25 miles of their departure point.

At first I was astonished that any pilots would not know this, but as a
flight instructor I should have known better. I did not know it myself until
I began to study for my commercial certificate.

Is the exemption still 50 nms like it used to be?

--
Dan D.



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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
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| "Eric Miller" wrote in message
. ..
|
| I'd like to see a map of what *isn't* within 25 nm of an airport,
especially
| East of the Mississippi!
|
| Not "an airport" the "airport of departure". The exemption is for
non-stop
| sightseeing flights that stay with 25 miles of their departure point.

At first I was astonished that any pilots would not know this, but as a
flight instructor I should have known better. I did not know it myself until
I began to study for my commercial certificate.

"Eric Miller" wrote /+
For the Homeland!

The more I hear the word "homeland" lately, the less this is a land I
wanna
call home.

Eric


Don't let the screen door hit you, where the good lord split you.

Guess than means we won't be hearing from you for a while.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Eric Miller" wrote /+
For the Homeland!

The more I hear the word "homeland" lately, the less this is a land I
wanna
call home.

Eric


Don't let the screen door hit you, where the good lord split you.

Guess than means we won't be hearing from you for a while.
--
Jim in NC

I knew someone would take offense

Consider that remark equivalent to: A democracy is the worst form of
government on the face of the Earth... except for every other one!

And besides, that statement was more a play on words directed at all the
Homeland Security nonsense, which is high on nuisance factor and low on
effectiveness. Do you claim otherwise?

Eric

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:05:57 GMT, "Eric Miller"
wrote:

:"Morgans" wrote in message
...
:
: "Eric Miller" wrote /+
: For the Homeland!
:
: The more I hear the word "homeland" lately, the less this is a land I
: wanna
: call home.
:
: Eric
:
:
: Don't let the screen door hit you, where the good lord split you.
:
: Guess than means we won't be hearing from you for a while.
: --
: Jim in NC
:
:I knew someone would take offense
:
:Consider that remark equivalent to: A democracy is the worst form of
:government on the face of the Earth... except for every other one!
:
:And besides, that statement was more a play on words directed at all the
:Homeland Security nonsense, which is high on nuisance factor and low on
:effectiveness. Do you claim otherwise?

How many terror attacks have there been on US soil in the past 2
years?
.........................

You're welcome.

Richard
If you gauge the effectivness of "Homeland Security" on a measly two
years I fear you will be rudely brought to your senses eventually. It is
my humble opinion that the TSA is all show and no go.
I pray I am incorrect.
all the best
Sean

Richard Riley wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:05:57 GMT, "Eric Miller"
wrote:

:"Morgans" wrote in message
...
:
: "Eric Miller" wrote /+
: For the Homeland!
:
: The more I hear the word "homeland" lately, the less this is a land I
: wanna
: call home.
:
: Eric
:
:
: Don't let the screen door hit you, where the good lord split you.
:
: Guess than means we won't be hearing from you for a while.
: --
: Jim in NC
:
:I knew someone would take offense
:
:Consider that remark equivalent to: A democracy is the worst form of
:government on the face of the Earth... except for every other one!
:
:And besides, that statement was more a play on words directed at all the
:Homeland Security nonsense, which is high on nuisance factor and low on
:effectiveness. Do you claim otherwise?

How many terror attacks have there been on US soil in the past 2
years?
........................

You're welcome.