Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2

"Mark" wrote in message
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On Sep 12, 3:28 pm, "sambodidley" wrote:

I'm not complaining about all this change...

Well someone needs to.

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Mark


Sorry. I don't tilt at windmillsg

sambodidley writes:

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

If real airplanes are not available, there's always flight simulation.

sambodidley wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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"sambodidley" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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"sambodidley" wrote:
Affordable rentals are no longer available and haven't been in
decades.

What is your definition of affordable rental?

Simple. What *I* can afford. YMMV

What is the largest dollar amount you would consider still affordable?

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

You are sounding to me like the guy who moved to Kansas then complained there
was no local surf.

Just where do you live?


--
Jim Pennino

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You are sounding to me like the guy who moved to Kansas then complained there
was no local surf.

Aviation would have to have extremely high priority in one's life to dictate
one's choice of domicile. There are a lot of people who are interested in
flying, but not to the extent that they will select a house based on its
proximity to a suitable airport.

The extreme is a village that is also an airport, usually with a name like
"sky park" or something along those lines. You'd really have to love flying to
move into such a place (especially since they are often quite a distance from
the city), but if that's what you want, it's available. I think it would be
very cool to have an airplane parked right outside the door, but I don't think
it cool enough to justify moving into such a place.

John Travolta's house is also a great example of that extreme. I've never
heard him talk about flying, but he must really love it to go to such lengths
to be near airplanes. It's not just a question of money, either, as having
airplanes in the backyard imposes constraints on other aspects of life.

It bothers me that, even if I were in a position to become a pilot, I'd have
to go way out into the boonies to find an airport to accommodate me. In
Europe, private pilots are not welcome at major airports, and renting
airplanes as an individual is problematic and expensive. So you have to go out
to some dinky airport in the middle of nowhere to fly. In my case, that would
mean buying a car just to get out there, and spending 1-3 hours in traffic
each way. There are limits.

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sambodidley wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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"sambodidley" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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"sambodidley" wrote:
Affordable rentals are no longer available and haven't been in
decades.

What is your definition of affordable rental?

Simple. What *I* can afford. YMMV

What is the largest dollar amount you would consider still affordable?

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would
be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would
probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my
current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy
my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

You are sounding to me like the guy who moved to Kansas then complained
there
was no local surf.

Just where do you live?


--
Jim Pennino

No, it's more like the surf moved and left me. All those local airports
and rentals did exist at one time right here where I live in Texas. I got
my pilot certificate flying out of one, probably before many in this group
were born . That airport has been gone for decades now along with many
others. I thought I made it very clear that I was not complaining but
merely explaining. It may be hard for those living in urban areas, where
almost anything is readily available, to believe that it's not like that
everywhere. Here in rural East Texas, aviation has pretty much withered
away as for as recreational flying is concerned. Many things have changed
since I started flying and I'm not lamenting any of them. If it happened it
happened and I can live with that.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

sambodidley writes:

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would
probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy
my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

If real airplanes are not available, there's always flight simulation.

That's like saying that, if real women aren't available, there are
always blow-up dolls!

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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sambodidley writes:

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would
be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would
probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my
current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy
my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

If real airplanes are not available, there's always flight simulation.

Been there, done that, too. My old dual core computer is just marginal
for FSX with Win7 32 bit. I'm planning to buy a new i7 quad core with win7
64 bit soon so I can run with all the sliders at max. Got any
suggestions?g

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

sambodidley writes:

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That
would be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would
probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my
current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban
area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to
buy
my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

If real airplanes are not available, there's always flight simulation.

That's like saying that, if real women aren't available, there are
always blow-up dolls!

Do those blow-up dolls come with surround sound stereo? If so, where can I
get one?g

sambodidley wrote:

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sambodidley wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"sambodidley" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"sambodidley" wrote:
Affordable rentals are no longer available and haven't been in
decades.

What is your definition of affordable rental?

Simple. What *I* can afford. YMMV

What is the largest dollar amount you would consider still affordable?

Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of
transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would
be
over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say
affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental
planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would
probably
find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my
current
thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area,
LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy
my
own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable.

You are sounding to me like the guy who moved to Kansas then complained
there
was no local surf.

Just where do you live?


--
Jim Pennino

No, it's more like the surf moved and left me. All those local airports
and rentals did exist at one time right here where I live in Texas. I got
my pilot certificate flying out of one, probably before many in this group
were born . That airport has been gone for decades now along with many
others. I thought I made it very clear that I was not complaining but
merely explaining. It may be hard for those living in urban areas, where
almost anything is readily available, to believe that it's not like that
everywhere. Here in rural East Texas, aviation has pretty much withered
away as for as recreational flying is concerned. Many things have changed
since I started flying and I'm not lamenting any of them. If it happened it
happened and I can live with that.

So buy an ultralight.


--
Jim Pennino

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a wrote:
Do tell me about your perception of narrow limits. Use of a general
aviation airplane for business purposes is pretty much like the use
of a car for business purposes.

Nope.

I used to think that.

There is a long series of articles on the subject on the AOPA web site
by the resident AOPA lawyer.

I would suggest you read them.

This is "big" news to me. I tried searching the AOPA web site for said
articles but came up with nothing that appeared relevant. So if you have
the URLs handy it would be appreciated.

I thought private pilot were restricted only from flying for compensation
or hire. Pretty much every reference I can find indicates that if the
business travel is "incidental" (i.e. one could have taken other
transportation) then a private pilot can indeed fly himself to, say, a
business meeting and do so legally.