Express Aircraft of Olympia WA quits

"Marc J. Zeitlin" wrote in message
news:5Zo6d.278681$Fg5.151748@attbi_s53...
Kyle Boatright wrote:

The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to
capture
the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a better
company
reputation.

Yes - that market, the RV-10 will own, for those folks that don't mind
burning 13 gal/hr. to get it.

......Whatever market there was for the Express shrunk considerably
when RV-10 was announced.

I'm not sure about that - the Express is a lot faster, IIRC - I'm not
sure they're the same market.

According the CAFE report, the fastest observed speed was 195 mph at 11 gph.
Maybe the RV will burn a little more gas, but you can buy a lot of avgas for
the difference in the kit cost.

http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/W...ress%20APR.pdf



.....I'm sure the Velocity and Cozy guys are feeling the bite too.

I don't know about the Velocity, but COZY plans are still selling at the
same rate that they were prior to the RV-10's announcement. Those two
planes are really NOT the same market, due to speed, fuel consumption,
and load capacity. So far, the RV-10 and COZY are orthogonal, not
competing.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin
http://marc.zeitlin.home.comcast.net/
http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright (c) 2004

What avionics?
"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Antonio dancingstar" wrote)
Here's a news scoop for you all...

Express Aircraft Company, formerly Wheeler Express, has gone out of
business. Apparently TCM (Teledyne Continental Motors) was unable to
honor shipment of their "Full Authority Digital Engine Control" (FADEC)
IOF-550 engines which Express had banked on, promised out, and designed
around, which left them in dire straits.

(specs and price $150,000 OBO)
http://www.express-aircraft.com/Aircraft%20Specs.htm

N511EA was registered in 1999 and has 731 hours total time since new.

Engine/HP Continental IO-550-N (310hp)

Prop Hartzell 3-Blade Constant Speed

Landing Gear Fixed Tricycle

Cabin Width (Front/Rear) ...46"/44"

Payload (with/140 gallons of fuel) ...935 lbs.

Cruise @ 75% ....175 kts TAS

Stall Speed Vs1 ...55 kts
Stall Speed Vs0 ...53 kts

Range @ 75% Power ...1,800 nm
Rate of Climb (Gross) ...1,200 fpm

Maximum Service Ceiling ....20,000 ft.

$150,000 (OBO) ...offer $85K and see what happens g.


Montblack

Vans is 200 smph. Express had 310 HP TSIO RG versions that would rival the
Lancair 400 at FL 180
"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
k.net...
Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:
Kyle Boatright wrote:


The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to

capture

the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a better

company

reputation.


Yes - that market, the RV-10 will own, for those folks that don't mind
burning 13 gal/hr. to get it.


......Whatever market there was for the Express shrunk considerably
when RV-10 was announced.


I'm not sure about that - the Express is a lot faster, IIRC - I'm not
sure they're the same market.


How do you figure it is a lot faster? I don't know anything about an
Express
other than what their web site says and it says 175kts cruise. Vans says
the RV-10 cruises at 200-201 that seems to be about the same cruise speed.


Jerry


.....I'm sure the Velocity and Cozy guys are feeling the bite too.


I don't know about the Velocity, but COZY plans are still selling at the
same rate that they were prior to the RV-10's announcement. Those two
planes are really NOT the same market, due to speed, fuel consumption,
and load capacity. So far, the RV-10 and COZY are orthogonal, not
competing.

Kyle Boatright wrote:
"dancingstar" wrote in
message ...

Express Builder wrote:

The Express assets will be picked up by someone sooner or later. This
kit will never go away. It has always been popular and can be
successful if the group that takes it over sticks to the basics.
History shows the company comes apart when they try to compete with
Lancair or whoever. The Express is a solid design as is. Let's hope
it falls into the right hands.

I wholeheartedly agree. One of the problems with the last incarnation of
this company was the different directions that were pursuing--inverted V-8
version, retractable version, turbocharged version, T-tail, etc.
The new owners should stick to the basics and concentrate on customer
support rather than R&D.

I have flown these many times and they are a wonderful aircraft.

Antonio


The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to capture
the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a better company
reputation. Whatever market there was for the Express shrunk considerably
when RV-10 was announced. I'm sure the Velocity and Cozy guys are feeling
the bite too.

KB



Are you kidding me? Take a picture of the RV-10 and place it next to the
Express. Which one is gonna get you the girls?

Seriously, the two aircraft are in totally different markets. The RV's
are certainly nice machines--I've help build an RV-4, and a 6A -- but
IMO they are more utilitarian and functional than a sleek composite. The
cockpits are not any where near as comfy and they are in the aerobatic
category.

The RV's are designed to appeal to the sporty individual while the
Express would appeal more to the cross country traveler/businessman who
had exceptional taste. ;-)

Antonio

Antonio

I find it hard to believe that a RG version would make that much difference.

Here is a link to their web site that has their demonstrator for sale with a
310hp engine.

http://www.express-aircraft.com/


Jerry (I could be wrong) Springer

Tim B wrote:

Vans is 200 smph. Express had 310 HP TSIO RG versions that would rival the
Lancair 400 at FL 180
"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
k.net...

Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:

Kyle Boatright wrote:



The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to

capture


the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a better

company


reputation.


Yes - that market, the RV-10 will own, for those folks that don't mind
burning 13 gal/hr. to get it.



......Whatever market there was for the Express shrunk considerably
when RV-10 was announced.


I'm not sure about that - the Express is a lot faster, IIRC - I'm not
sure they're the same market.


How do you figure it is a lot faster? I don't know anything about an
Express
other than what their web site says and it says 175kts cruise. Vans says
the RV-10 cruises at 200-201 that seems to be about the same cruise speed.


Jerry



.....I'm sure the Velocity and Cozy guys are feeling the bite too.


I don't know about the Velocity, but COZY plans are still selling at the
same rate that they were prior to the RV-10's announcement. Those two
planes are really NOT the same market, due to speed, fuel consumption,
and load capacity. So far, the RV-10 and COZY are orthogonal, not
competing.

dancingstar wrote:

Kyle Boatright wrote:

"dancingstar" wrote in
message ...

Express Builder wrote:

The Express assets will be picked up by someone sooner or later. This
kit will never go away. It has always been popular and can be
successful if the group that takes it over sticks to the basics.
History shows the company comes apart when they try to compete with
Lancair or whoever. The Express is a solid design as is. Let's hope
it falls into the right hands.


I wholeheartedly agree. One of the problems with the last incarnation
of this company was the different directions that were
pursuing--inverted V-8 version, retractable version, turbocharged
version, T-tail, etc.
The new owners should stick to the basics and concentrate on customer
support rather than R&D.

I have flown these many times and they are a wonderful aircraft.

Antonio



The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to
capture the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a
better company reputation. Whatever market there was for the Express
shrunk considerably when RV-10 was announced. I'm sure the Velocity
and Cozy guys are feeling the bite too.

KB


Are you kidding me? Take a picture of the RV-10 and place it next to the
Express. Which one is gonna get you the girls?

Seriously, the two aircraft are in totally different markets. The RV's
are certainly nice machines--I've help build an RV-4, and a 6A -- but
IMO they are more utilitarian and functional than a sleek composite. The
cockpits are not any where near as comfy and they are in the aerobatic
category.

The RV's are designed to appeal to the sporty individual while the
Express would appeal more to the cross country traveler/businessman who
had exceptional taste. ;-)

Antonio

Antonio

I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have you seen one
in person?

http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg


Jerry

("Tim B" wrote)
What avionics?
(specs and price $150,000 OBO)
http://www.express-aircraft.com/Aircraft%20Specs.htm


(From the above Express Aircraft Company link)
......CLICK FOR AVIONICS LIST!! g

http://www.express-aircraft.com/511_avionics.htm

N511EA Avionics and Indicators

Sandel SN3308 HSI

Eventide Argus 7000/CE Color Moving Map Display

Bendix King KLN 89B TSO GPS

Bendix King KX 155 TSO NAV / COM Radio

Bendix King KY197A TSO COM Radio

Bendix King KT 76C TSO Digital Transponder

PS Engineering PMA7000MS Stereo Audio Panel with Intelivox and Glide Slope

STEC Model 30 Auto Pilot

JPI EDM-700 Engine Monitor

Angle of Attack Indicator with Voice Prompt

JPI Slimline Fuel Pressure Gage

Annunciator Panel

Daytron M800 Chronometer

Oil Temperature Gage

Oil Pressure Gage

Voltage Meter

Duel Fuel Gage

Amp Gage

Manifold Pressure Gage

Tachometer

Compass with Hour Meter

Electric Elevator Trim with Indicator

Kenwood KDC-7011 Stereo with Motorized Face


Montblack

Jerry Springer wrote:

I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have you
seen one in person?

http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg

Just an observation, but that looks like the outside to me. Could be my
internet connection playing tricks on me though... ;-D

Darrel Toepfer wrote:
Jerry Springer wrote:

I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have
you seen one in person?

http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg


Just an observation, but that looks like the outside to me. Could be my
internet connection playing tricks on me though... ;-D

Must be your mind playing tricks on you. :-)

The picture was just thrown in for the fun of it. :-)

Jerry

I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have you
seen one in person?

http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg


Jerry


no. ( He said very quietly in an almost indecipherable voice...)

Antonio