Private air strip..... yes or no???

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:11:09 -0500 (EST), "" just an average "
Farlang..." wrote:

John T wrote:

"just an average Farlang" wrote in
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In Short... See original subject of message. I am trying to collect
information, (not personal feelings) as to whether a private air
strip
is allowed according to federal regulations or common sense if it
known a plane cannot possibly take off with regards to a total of
2600
feet.

That question has been answered several times in this thread.

BTW, what makes you think it is "known a plane cannot possibly take
off"
with a 2600' runway? I do it all the time.


I hope you are good enough to take off on 1000 feet of runway because
I was told there is no reason any pilot cannot take off with that
amount in a plane such as a cessna. You misunderstand the context of
where you read that comment. What was meant was that it takes more
than simply the land you lift off from to include in the total
distance needed to take off.



I'm a yankee and never, ever had the slightest thought that I might be
a redneck but you've definitely got me thinking...
Rich Russell

"TaxSrv" wrote in message ...

That would be Part 77 of the rules, but it covers only affected
airports which are available for public use.
For a private strip, any obstruction erected so as to deny the owner
of the landing strip free enjoyment of his property is a private legal
matter.

The clause for towers in vicinity of airports applies only to public use.
However, a 500' tower would need to be reported regardless of where
it was built and it's quite possible it would interfere with some other (public)
airport.

"just an average Farlang" wrote in
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I hope you are good enough to take off on 1000 feet of runway...

Much less than that, typically.

...I was told there is no reason any pilot cannot take off with that
amount in a plane such as a cessna. You misunderstand the context of
where you read that comment.

Really? Let's review the post I quoted:

quote
"just an average Farlang..." wrote in
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news:bm9yaWtv.a91bf72558d3777dd8d2f281cb08ef0c@107 6521641.nulluser.com...
In Short... See original subject of message. I am trying to collect
information, (not personal feelings) as to whether a private air strip
is allowed according to federal regulations or common sense if it
known a plane cannot possibly take off with regards to a total of 2600
feet.
/quote

Most light GA planes can easily takeoff in much less than 2600ft. What you
said and what you meant to say may not have been the same thing, but I
quoted correctly.

What was meant was that it takes more
than simply the land you lift off from to include in the total
distance needed to take off.

Gee. I hadn't thought of that. I guess that whole category in the
performance section of my plane's POH has something to do with how much
distance it takes to achieve a certain altitude then, huh?

Why don't you take your trolling someplace else? We've tried to be nice and
answer your questions politely.

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John T
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"just an average Farlang" wrote in
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...you run full throttle
taking off over someone's house taking off with a total disregard for
other people's rights ...

What rights would those be?

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John T
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Farlang

You, not a pilot, come on News Group and post a series of questions to
a group of pilots who in the cumulative have hundreds of thousands
hours flying time in aircraft from 3 cylinder certified aircraft to
supersonic birds and in flights all around the world in all kinds of
weather and you don't want to take their advice but continue to argue
with them. All the characteristics of a troll.

Again in plain language.

1. Get with your neighbor.You may not have a problem. If you do you
can find out what it is so you can start working on it. Right now you
are just blowing wind in the air (and posting crap on the News Group).

2. Also go talk to the individual county Commissioners about your
problem, if you determine you have one, before the meeting. It's a lot
easier one on one to get your points across prior to meeting.

3. If you want expert advice about land use in your area, go talk to a
lawyer about your possible (actual) problem.

I'm gone!!!!!!!!!!

Big John

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:34:51 -0500 (EST), "" just an average "
Farlang..." wrote:

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You may or may not be able to realize that a large factor of approving
a private runway is not from hard calculations because if it were
there would be no reason for a planning and zoning hearing. It all
seems to balance out pretty good don't it... you run full throttle
taking off over someone's house taking off with a total disregard for
other people's rights and I am just supposed to consider myself lucky
you chose my house.

Who's taking off over your house. You don't know from s**t and won't
go and find out.Sheeeees

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"John T" wrote in message
ws.com...
What was meant was that it takes more
than simply the land you lift off from to include in the total
distance needed to take off.

Gee. I hadn't thought of that. I guess that whole category in the
performance section of my plane's POH has something to do with how much
distance it takes to achieve a certain altitude then, huh?

I can't tell whether you are being sarcastic by now, but (in case anyone
who's not a pilot is still listening; pilots know this) most POH's do. Mine
tells me the distance the ideal plane requires to break pavement, and in
addition the distance to clear the proverbial 50 foot obstacle. Perhaps
that's what Farlang had heard of.

But I admit I really don't know the difference between "land you lift off
from" and "distance needed to take off" because as far as I know breaking
free of the pavement is legally taking off. Unless there's something weird
about ground effect that I didn't know.

-- David Brooks

just an average Farlang... wrote:


I hope you are good enough to take off on 1000 feet of runway because
I was told there is no reason any pilot cannot take off with that
amount in a plane such as a cessna.

Whats your elevation there in Idaho? This may or may not be true.


You misunderstand the context of
where you read that comment. What was meant was that it takes more
than simply the land you lift off from to include in the total
distance needed to take off.

Only if there are obstacles to clear.

"Big John" wrote in message

If you follow the don't get mad, get even train of activist:

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8. Take up kite flying )


Good ideas so far, but I wouldn't want to try that one. Towing banners I've had
that run in before while towing banners. Unless it's a freakin huge kite with
some heavy duty string, all that's likely to happen is you'll loose your kite.
I did get a few little marks in the fabric where they hit, but that was about
it.

FWIW, the company I flew for had their own private strip, 1500' long and rough
grass. It took them a few years of battleing to get it built, but they did win
out in the final appeals. Even so, we still did our darndest to be good
neigbors, and flew rather unorthadox patterns to keep from disturbing the
neigbors. Did this increase the risk to us in the plane? Slightly, yes, but it
wasn't overly so, and looked at as a necessary tradeoff for the convienience of
the private strip.

I'll second the suggestion to contact your neighbor and talk to him about it
(did you try his doorbell?)

These "ranch strips" usually cause very few problems. If you can, set
up a social meeting with the guy and ask him if he can take the
location of your house into account on his takeoffs and landings
(takeoffs are noisier). But I doubt that his operations are going to
impact you very much, as he simply wont be taking off and landing that
often.

Since you like airplanes and aviation, why don't you see if the guy
will give you a ride in his airplane? He probably is keeping it at the
local airport right now. The two of you could go over there and fly
around. Bring your camera.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, just an average Farlang... wrote:

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you run full throttle
taking off over someone's house taking off with a total disregard for
other people's rights and I am just supposed to consider myself lucky
you chose my house.

Other people's rights? Huh? Given that most airspace is *public* in most
countries (certainly in the US, Canada, UK, etc), aircraft are neither
breaking the law or disregarding anyone's rights by using that airspace.
You bought the land, not the air. Think of it as traffic noise from a
public highway, because that's exactly what it is.

As for 'consider myself lucky', I'll confess: I love aircraft noise. When
I hear an aircraft overhead I know that someone within earshot is doing
one of the coolest things humanity has ever done, and probably
having fun doing it. Knowing that I can do it too just makes me like the
noise a lot more.

Brian.