Yet another reason to Hate AOL

In article 2XCFc.19401$XM6.17860@attbi_s53, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

So it is wasting ressources and bouncing around the net *3* times.
what for? if you send it once and it fails, chances are that it also
failes
on the second and 3rd try.

Because computers, unlike almost anything else in the known universe, can
(and often will) give you a different result from the same input.

If there was a different result, it wasn't the same input. :-)

--
Bob Noel

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
Because computers, unlike almost anything else in the known universe,
can
(and often will) give you a different result from the same input.

If there was a different result, it wasn't the same input. :-)


It seems you still trust computers.

The problem is that it is impossible to know whether the computer has the
same input or not...

In article , "Peter
Gottlieb" wrote:

If there was a different result, it wasn't the same input. :-)

It seems you still trust computers.

After my work with avionics software I most certainly do not trust
computers.

The problem is that it is impossible to know whether the computer has the
same input or not...

It's not impossible. It is usually impractical, but it isn't
impossible.

--
Bob Noel

If you subscribed to a mailing, then get that mailing and think it is
spam, I would have to call that stupid.


That's very insulting, and shows you've never done this. Well, maybe not
never, but certainly not enough times to see how often the mailing that comes
does not at all resemble what would be expected.


Any good email list software for a legitimate email list will always
have your and only your address in the To: header of the message so it
is easy to see what address they are using to send stuff to you.


Any good spammer knows this.

what you are talking about is "phishing"

I know what I'm talking about.

check the source (sic!) from the mail.

Ok. The source is , and the clerks at BestBuy do not
know where the legit Emails will be coming from.


They had hired some company to handle their advertising,
and all of the web traffic goes through that company's domain, rather than
through my bank's domain.


Bingo. All too common.


Because computers, unlike almost anything else in the known universe, can
(and often will) give you a different result from the same input.

If there was a different result, it wasn't the same input. :-)


False.

Check to see how your computer boots up. I bet that the icons come up in a
different order each time. Mine do. To be more techical, the "input" that has
to be the "same" is beyond the control of the user and of the program. Often
it's a timing issue - with multple threads and a hard drive whose last position
is unknown, and whose startup charactaristics are not identical to the
precision required, things get out of sync. And if one piece of data happens
to be closer (today) than it was (yesterday) to some other related piece of
data (due to fragmentation issues), timing goes all to hell. And comptuers
rely on timing far more than you would think.

But that's another issue.


It's not impossible[ to know whether the computer has the
same input or not]. It is usually impractical, but it isn't
impossible.


It's actually impossible. QM says so.

Jose





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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 01:44:02 GMT, Peter Gottlieb wrote:

If there was a different result, it wasn't the same input. :-)


It seems you still trust computers.

The problem is that it is impossible to know whether the computer has the
same input or not...

naaahhhh. Most of the time: PEBKC.

#m

--
Michael Moo Fahrenheit 9/11:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

On 04 Jul 2004 03:31:40 GMT, Teacherjh wrote:



Please: don't combine several postings into one, especially when mixing
quotings, without reference line and broken quoting levels.

Thank you,

Martin

f-up2poster set
--
Michael Moo Fahrenheit 9/11:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Edward Todd" wrote in message
...
[...] Always use BCC. Spammers use
siffer software that can pull these addresses and hey pas through a
server. BCC really helps this.

Putting email addresses in the bcc field does nothing to hide the email
addresses, except to the final recipient. All of the email addresses are
easily visible to any of the servers between the sender and the final
recipient, including the final recipient's email server.

To make matters worse, as your advice pertains to this thread, putting email
addresses in the bcc field often sets off spam detection rules.

I do use bcc for large mailings, because it prevents obnoxious reply-alls
when you know a reply-all would never be appropriate. But no one should
believe that using bcc in any way serves to hide the email addresses from
spammers.

In fact, it does. The addresses in the BCC field (in fact, there's no
such thing, and it's only your mailing program like Outlook that knows
anything about this field; the addresses go to what's known as "the
envelope") are usually visible to 1) your provider's server and 2) your
addressees' providers' servers. Chances are really good that none of
these servers is involved in address fishing for spammers.

Anyway, back to AOL - Jay, the only meaningful way to deal with it is to
try to get AOL users on your list to call their customer support and
complain REALLY LOUD.

Pete

Dima

Anyway, back to AOL - Jay, the only meaningful way to deal with it is to
try to get AOL users on your list to call their customer support and
complain REALLY LOUD.

Well, Lee is the only rec.aviation/AOL user on the list -- so here goes:
Lee, complain to AOL about this, will ya?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

he only meaningful way to deal with it is to
try to get AOL users on your list to call their customer support and
complain REALLY LOUD.

Well, Lee is the only rec.aviation/AOL user on the list -- so here goes:
Lee, complain to AOL about this, will ya?



Not feasible. Here's a better solution, Jay . . . switch my address on your
list to

.



www.Rosspilot.com

Not feasible. Here's a better solution, Jay . . . switch my address on
your
list to

.

Done!

(And, BTW: It's ALWAYS feasible to complain about lousy service... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...
he only meaningful way to deal with it is to
try to get AOL users on your list to call their customer support and
complain REALLY LOUD.

Well, Lee is the only rec.aviation/AOL user on the list -- so here goes:
Lee, complain to AOL about this, will ya?






www.Rosspilot.com