Run-in with Chicago Center

This whole thing could have easily blown way out of
proportion, with the "left hand not knowing what the right hand was
doing" -- and I might well have gotten a letter about it at some later
date -- when it would have been MUCH harder to prove (or disprove) anything.

Would not have happened if you filed IFR.

(Hankal) wrote in message ...
This whole thing could have easily blown way out of
proportion, with the "left hand not knowing what the right hand was
doing" -- and I might well have gotten a letter about it at some later
date -- when it would have been MUCH harder to prove (or disprove) anything.

Would not have happened if you filed IFR.

Now there's a good one!

No question you're generally much better covered under IFR than VFR
flight following, but if you think that voice on the radio never goofs
up and loses track of what's going on...

-cwk.

METARS showed some reporting stations in the 1900
overcast range, but most were at 2200 or better, and radar was clear


As we approached Dubuque's Class Delta airspace, the ceilings dropped to
their expected low-point of the trip (the Mississippi River valley usually
creates its own little weather pattern.

I had to remain at 1900
feet to be legal.

How did you stay legal (500' below clouds) at 1900" if ceilings were 220' and
sometimes lower?


John

"ISLIP" wrote in message
...

METARS showed some reporting stations in the 1900
overcast range, but most were at 2200 or better, and radar was clear
As we approached Dubuque's Class Delta airspace, the ceilings dropped
to their expected low-point of the trip (the Mississippi River valley
usually
creates its own little weather pattern.

I had to remain at 1900
feet to be legal.


How did you stay legal (500' below clouds) at 1900" if ceilings were
220' and sometimes lower?


Field elevation at DBQ is 1076' MSL. A ceiling of 1900' would put the cloud
bases at about 3000' MSL.

On 18 Aug 2004 23:50:58 GMT, (ISLIP) wrote:

METARS showed some reporting stations in the 1900
overcast range, but most were at 2200 or better, and radar was clear


As we approached Dubuque's Class Delta airspace, the ceilings dropped to
their expected low-point of the trip (the Mississippi River valley usually
creates its own little weather pattern.

I had to remain at 1900
feet to be legal.

How did you stay legal (500' below clouds) at 1900" if ceilings were 220' and
sometimes lower?

Could bases are reported in AGL not MSL.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:21:23 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

At my low-ish altitudes, Green Bay couldn't hand me off to Chicago Center
for flight following, so we were soon on our own, watching the emerald-green
Wisconsin landscape unfold beneath us.

It has been my experience flying thru Chicago's airspace that if you
are VFR and want flight following, you are likely not going to get it.
I have flown thru there many times and 9-10 times while VFR they would
drop me. In fact the few times that I have received flight following
thru thier airspace, I have gotten a comment from the controler that
this must be my lucky day, Chicago has agreed to accept you. I have
always wondered if I should land and buy a lottery ticket when this
does happen.

Scott D.

"Scott D." wrote:

In fact the few times that I have received flight following
thru thier airspace, I have gotten a comment from the controler that
this must be my lucky day, Chicago has agreed to accept you. I have
always wondered if I should land and buy a lottery ticket when this
does happen.

No -- you've already used up all your luck for the next month! :-)

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

I found that an altitude of 7500'MSL right around the ring of class B will
get you flight following. Mostly because this is almost the same altitude
all the heavy metal is at near that point and ATC want to keep an eye on you
then.

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Scott D. wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:21:23 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

At my low-ish altitudes, Green Bay couldn't hand me off to Chicago Center
for flight following, so we were soon on our own, watching the
emerald-green
Wisconsin landscape unfold beneath us.

It has been my experience flying thru Chicago's airspace that if you
are VFR and want flight following, you are likely not going to get it.
I have flown thru there many times and 9-10 times while VFR they would
drop me. In fact the few times that I have received flight following
thru thier airspace, I have gotten a comment from the controler that
this must be my lucky day, Chicago has agreed to accept you. I have
always wondered if I should land and buy a lottery ticket when this
does happen.

Scott D.

Maule Driver wrote:

Ironically, IFR you will spend more time in the sun rather than
among the
attennaes. Bring your sunglasses.

:-)

I landed at GRR yesterday with a 200 foot ceiling and RVR of 4200 ft.

The new-ish lineman saw my sunglasses and commented on finding better
weather. I told him, "it's bright and sunny about 2000 feet from here."

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:D2zUc.315580$JR4.141514@attbi_s54...

Whew! Imagine if I had simply opted not to call Cedar Rapids Approach for
flight following? This whole thing could have easily blown way out of
proportion, with the "left hand not knowing what the right hand was
doing" -- and I might well have gotten a letter about it at some later
date -- when it would have been MUCH harder to prove (or disprove) anything.

If thy're that motivated to screw with you, one would think they'd
make sure to put the tapes aside, and then you're home free.

OTOH, my old CFII did have a run-in transitioning Norwood MA (OWD) at
1800' under the Boston Class B 2000' shelf. OWD cleared him but BOS
called when he landed at BED 15 miles away. They said, "You can't do
that, it's Class D." He said, "OWD cleared me, so yes I can." They
said, "there's big towers out there you could hit, he said, "yeah, but
I've been flying here for 20 years and know right where they all are."
They said, "well, we don't think people should be doing that," to
which he replied, "you're the FAA, if you don't like the way the
airspace is set up up, then go ahead and change it."

-cwk.