CFI without commercial?

What are the rules nowadays for getting your CFI? Is a commercial rating
required before you can become a CFI? I imagine it is, since you're
"flying for hire"...?

I know you *used* to be able to get your CFI without an instrument rating,
but I understand that is no longer allowed, right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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What are the rules nowadays for getting your CFI? Is a commercial
rating required before you can become a CFI? I imagine it is, since
you're "flying for hire"...?


A flight instructor certificate requires either a commercial pilot or
airline transport pilot certificate. You're only flying for hire if you
charge for your instruction.



I know you *used* to be able to get your CFI without an instrument rating,
but I understand that is no longer allowed, right?


Right.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ib%Ud.18361$Ze3.1684@attbi_s51...

What are the rules nowadays for getting your CFI? Is a commercial
rating required before you can become a CFI? I imagine it is, since
you're "flying for hire"...?


A flight instructor certificate requires either a commercial pilot or
airline transport pilot certificate. You're only flying for hire if
you charge for your instruction.



I know you *used* to be able to get your CFI without an instrument
rating, but I understand that is no longer allowed, right?


Right.




Don't know how much it really applies here, but it's interesting that
you CAN get a Sport Pilot Instructor Cert without either a Commercial or
ATP.


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"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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A flight instructor certificate requires either a commercial pilot
or airline transport pilot certificate.

Correct.

You're only flying for hire if you charge for your instruction.

Wrong. You are not flying for hire while giving flight instruction.
You don't even need a current medical unless you're acting as a
required crewmember.

--

"John Godwin" wrote in message
. 3.44...

Wrong. You are not flying for hire while giving flight instruction.


You are if you're being compensated for it.



You don't even need a current medical unless you're acting as a
required crewmember.


Irrelevant.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
ink.net:

You are if you're being compensated for it.

Wrong again. You're being paid to instruct; not to fly.

You don't even need a current medical unless you're acting as a
required crewmember.

Irrelevant.

Actually, it is. FAR 61.23 states that you must must hold at least a
second-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a
commercial pilot certificate. The FAA had to make a special case in
FAR 61.23 in order to state that you don't need a medical unless the
instructor is a required crewmember (i.e., you're not being paid to
fly).

--

you are only a required crew member if the student does not have the
rating for the category and class being flown.
Michelle

John Godwin wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
link.net:



You are if you're being compensated for it.



Wrong again. You're being paid to instruct; not to fly.



You don't even need a current medical unless you're acting as a
required crewmember.


Irrelevant.



Actually, it is. FAR 61.23 states that you must must hold at least a
second-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a
commercial pilot certificate. The FAA had to make a special case in
FAR 61.23 in order to state that you don't need a medical unless the
instructor is a required crewmember (i.e., you're not being paid to
fly).

"John Godwin" wrote in message
. 3.44...

Wrong again. You're being paid to instruct; not to fly.


Review my previous message. Keep doing so until it sinks in.



Actually, it is. FAR 61.23 states that you must must hold at least a
second-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a
commercial pilot certificate. The FAA had to make a special case in
FAR 61.23 in order to state that you don't need a medical unless the
instructor is a required crewmember (i.e., you're not being paid to
fly).


Find a dictionary, look up the words.

Here ya go Jay:

§ 61.183 Eligibility requirements.
To be eligible for a flight instructor certificate or rating a person must:

(a) Be at least 18 years of age;

(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If
the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical
reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that
applicant's flight instructor certificate as are necessary;

(c) Hold either a commercial pilot certificate or airline transport pilot
certificate with:

(1) An aircraft category and class rating that is appropriate to the flight
instructor rating sought; and

(2) An instrument rating, or privileges on that person's pilot certificate
that are appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought, if applying
for-

(i) A flight instructor certificate with an airplane category and
single-engine class rating;

(ii) A flight instructor certificate with an airplane category and
multiengine class rating;

(iii) A flight instructor certificate with a powered-lift rating; or

(iv) A flight instructor certificate with an instrument rating.



Sorry for just cutting and pasteing the FARs... hope this helps.

Jim

You're only flying for hire if you
charge for your instruction.

Oh no, here we go.