A thousand incursions a year?

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:

2) Given that I've worked on USAF Air Defense systems, including
stuff in the NCR, I better know the purpose of the DC ADIZ.

Really, how so?

Because it was part of my job to know the purpose.

You were a bureaucrat -- it was your purpose to enhance and perpetuate the
bureaucracy!! :~)

2) Given that I've worked on USAF Air Defense systems, including
stuff in the NCR, I better know the purpose of the DC ADIZ.

Really, how so?

Because it was part of my job to know the purpose.

Bob could tell you, Ron, but then he'd have to kill you.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well, I was one of those incursions about 6 months ago. I was following
the procedure for Kentmorr which requires a specific code, no contact,
but an entry and exit directly to the east. On the my way out, I
started my turn onto the borderng airway to soon. That is I cut the
corner on the 90degree turn. I talked to ATC once I got home per their
instruction. We agreed on what happened. I was humble and he was doing
his job. No violation or followup.

I suspect *many* incursions are of this type. It was clear what I was
doing, why and how. No threat even implied. But it made clear to me
that there is zero tolerance.

In retrospect, a damn good way to run an ADIZ, assuming one should be there.

Jay Honeck wrote:
But my point is, if there's a thousand incursions a year, what
does that say about the effectiveness and usefulness of the
ADIZ? My opinion is that it proves it's uselessness.


I find it hard to imagine that there are really 1000 incursions every year.

But if there really are that many, I'm afraid this says volumes more about
the caliber of our pilots than it does about the utility of an ADIZ.

I'm really starting to grow uncomfortable with this topic, as it is wearing
away at the patina of competence we, as pilots, have always worn. Maybe we
really aren't as good as we think?

Only a white guy would do that.

(no offense intended)

When I have the chance I've started reporting them or even
appraoching them personally on the topic.

Most recently I saw a sheriff car park in the fire lane in front
of my grocery store only to walk inside and go to the deli. I
politely walked up and asked, "If I were to park in a red zone
to come into get a sandwich, would I get a ticket?" He replied,
"yes." I thanked him and walked away. I made my point.

Some have said, and some may continue to say I'm effing nuts. But
the point is, law enforcement is NOT above the law.

Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

End tangent.

Maule Driver wrote:

Only a white guy would do that.

(no offense intended)

LOL!

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Bob Noel wrote:
In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:


2) Given that I've worked on USAF Air Defense systems, including
stuff in the NCR, I better know the purpose of the DC ADIZ.

Really, how so?


Because it was part of my job to know the purpose.

Given that the uSAF AIr Defense system, and the real
ADIZ's have nothing whatsoever to do with who the DC
ADIZ, this is relevant how?

Maule Driver wrote in news:Tk8De.18583$3j2.529960
@twister.southeast.rr.com:

Only a white guy would do that.

(no offense intended)
Snipola

I have to admit it took a me a minute get the joke.

BTW, I'm the minority in the area.

Brian
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Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:

Given that the uSAF AIr Defense system, and the real
ADIZ's have nothing whatsoever to do with who the DC
ADIZ [snip]

The NORAD mission includes air supremacy/superiority for all
CONUS airspace, including the NCR. Other agencies have, ahem,
some claims, but the NCR is in fact part of the NEADS airspace.

Part of the confusion may be a result of the fact that prior
to 9/11 NORAD was not looking at the interior. However,
following the 9/11 attacks, the US Air Defense System was
modified to take in all available radar feeds, including FAA
radars.

So, once again, the purpose of the DC ADIZ is to help the
USAF distinquish between friend and foe. (and again, I'm
not commenting on the need for or the effeciency of the
DC ADIZ).

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"Skywise" wrote in message ...
Maule Driver wrote in news:Tk8De.18583$3j2.529960
@twister.southeast.rr.com:

Only a white guy would do that.

(no offense intended)
Snipola

I have to admit it took a me a minute get the joke.

BTW, I'm the minority in the area.

Brian
--


Actually, no joke...it is pretty sad...

Yeah, me too.

Skywise wrote:
Maule Driver wrote in news:Tk8De.18583$3j2.529960
@twister.southeast.rr.com:


Only a white guy would do that.

(no offense intended)

Snipola

I have to admit it took a me a minute get the joke.

BTW, I'm the minority in the area.

Brian