request for fighter pilot statistic

Morgans wrote:
"Michael Kelly" wrote


Well tested the mighty BUFF is Morgans! To keep the old lady flying for
another 40 years we've put new computers and weapons on to bird, and
lucky young Lt's like me are able to fly on a jet my grandfather could
have flown on. We're ugly, slow and smoky but a hell of a lot of fun to
fly on. Its a privilege to be part of the BUFF community and I wouldn't
trade it for anything.


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You know, for all of the airshows and open houses at airbases I have been
to, (quite a few; certainly over what I can count on both hands) I still
have yet to see a buff in the air. Why is that?

You need to lobby your higher-ups, to let you (or someone) do some more
fly-bys at air shows.

One of these days, I hope I'll see one!

About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.

==bob

("Jay Beckman" wrote)
- 2 OV22 Osprey (Night Race at Richmond...their rotor/prop tips glow!!)


As a long suffering Osprey taxpayer my question is, are they suppose to
glow? :-)


Montblack

I forgot what year it was, but it was before '96, I was a tin roofer
installing lead-coated copper standing deam roof on a tower in Quantico
Marine base when one of the Ospreys took a nose dive into the Potomac
River. I had clear view of it because I was on the tower roof.

Didn't a BUFF go down at at airshow? Thought I saw the video.

"Bob Matthews" wrote

About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.

A couple of years ago, I heard a low rumble that I could not identify. It
kept getting louder, and I finally "had" to go outside and try to identify
what it was, or at least from what direction the sound was coming.

It lasted several minutes, and I made up my mind that it *must* be the sound
of big afterburners, and from how loud it was, more than two. I guessed it
must be a B-1 running the nearby gorge on a low level training run.

The next couple days, I asked around, and many had heard it. Finally, I
came across someone who lived out in the direction of the Lindville Gorge
that saw it come directly over his house.

That was 15 or more miles away, and it was unmistakable and different, and
had a deep rumble unlike anything I had ever heard. The next year I saw a
B-1 doing afterburner runs up close at an air show, and heard how loud they
were. Yep, that was it!

Still not a buff, though. :-)
--
Jim in NC

Flyingmonk wrote:
Didn't a BUFF go down at at airshow? Thought I saw the video.

Fairchild AFB, early nineties in an air show practice. Basically, the
pilot involved didn't think the rules applied to him and was well know
for his unsafe flying. A number of aircrew flat out refused to fly with
him and finally a significant number of the wing staff thought there
could be a problem and decided to fly with him. Unfortunately for them
the flight they were on was the one that crashed in front of the
cameras. A book was written about the complete lack of leadership that
led up to this accident.

In at least one, if not more, preflight briefings I've been in various
aspects of this crash were discussed under the safety and EP portions of
the brief.

Michael Kelly
BUFF Flight Tester

Morgans wrote:

"Bob Matthews" wrote


About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.


A couple of years ago, I heard a low rumble that I could not identify. It
kept getting louder, and I finally "had" to go outside and try to identify
what it was, or at least from what direction the sound was coming.

It lasted several minutes, and I made up my mind that it *must* be the sound
of big afterburners, and from how loud it was, more than two. I guessed it
must be a B-1 running the nearby gorge on a low level training run.

The next couple days, I asked around, and many had heard it. Finally, I
came across someone who lived out in the direction of the Lindville Gorge
that saw it come directly over his house.

That was 15 or more miles away, and it was unmistakable and different, and
had a deep rumble unlike anything I had ever heard. The next year I saw a
B-1 doing afterburner runs up close at an air show, and heard how loud they
were. Yep, that was it!

Still not a buff, though. :-)

Being in the flight path of a Bone low level in max aug is a truly
moving experience and double hearing protection is advised! The BUFF is
slower, uglier and more smoky not nearly as impressive a sight to
behold. The Bone emanates raw power and graceful lines. The BUFF is
the fat ugly lineman, sure its not as sexy as a quarterback, but it
grinds it out like that lineman and makes the mission happen.

My personal preference, the Bone is a hell of a lot more fun to fly.
Get real, if given the choice between a Ferrari and a pick up I'll
always pick the Ferrari as more fun to drive. The practical side of me
though acknowledges that the pickup is pretty useful, but some what less
sexy. I've only flown the Bone sim, but spent plenty of time in its
cockpit. I have flown in the BUFF and also spent a fair amount of time
in it. I'd rather spend a 20+ hour sortie in the BUFF, more room makes
a difference after the 6th or 7th hour of a flight.

Michael Kelly
BUFF Flight Tester (Former Bone Maintainer)

Morgans wrote:

You know, for all of the airshows and open houses at airbases I have been
to, (quite a few; certainly over what I can count on both hands) I still
have yet to see a buff in the air. Why is that?

You need to lobby your higher-ups, to let you (or someone) do some more
fly-bys at air shows.

One of these days, I hope I'll see one!

I don't know what to tell you bro. I've seen the BUFF in a couple of
air shows and even flown in one. I unfortunately can't lobby my higher
ups for air show performances as a.) we only own two aircraft b.) we are
AFMC and ACC owns the vast majority of BUFFs c.) I'm a Lt, who listens
to Lt's? Especially ones who are engineers?

Best I can offer you is to go to Andrews AFB air show, or Langley AFB
air show both will have a high probability of having BUFFs fly on the
East coast. Barksdale AFB or Minot AFB would be good bets for seeing a
BUFF in the middle of the country. Edwards AFB is your best bet on the
West coast. Don't know where you are, but chances are you'll need to
travel to see the might BUFF airborne.

Michael Kelly
BUFF Flight Tester

Do any of these fly out of Nellis? I was on the ground in the
northwestern Arizona boonies a few years ago when one flew over my
position very loud and low. I wouldn't want to guess how low, but I was
in awe.

Michael Kelly wrote:


Best I can offer you is to go to Andrews AFB air show, or Langley AFB
air show both will have a high probability of having BUFFs fly on the
East coast. Barksdale AFB or Minot AFB would be good bets for seeing a
BUFF in the middle of the country. Edwards AFB is your best bet on the
West coast. Don't know where you are, but chances are you'll need to
travel to see the might BUFF airborne.

Michael Kelly
BUFF Flight Tester

"RomeoMike" wrote in message
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Do any of these fly out of Nellis? I was on the ground in the northwestern
Arizona boonies a few years ago when one flew over my position very loud
and low. I wouldn't want to guess how low, but I was in awe.


They do attend Red Flag cycles.

I've seen them come and go from Nellis when we are "across the street" at
the LV Motor Speedway covering the NASCAR weekend.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ