ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

As I recall the article, they were planning on flying under the Class B near
its edge. Of course that's now the ADIZ that goes all the way down to the
surface, so they were actually expecting to be in what is now ADIZ.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Mike Schumann wrote:
I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get
your pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should
be some periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they
need or have learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first
got their license.

If they'd drawn a straight line between Smoketown and Lumberton, they
would have pretty much missed the entire ADIZ mess (and the class B as
well). The straight line path if I recall runs right down the east
edge of the ADIZ. If they'd have tracked down the eastern shore until
past DC, they wouldn't have come close and the visual landmark (the
Chesapeake bay) is pretty hard to miss. Yes, it does mean that they would
have had to cross the water however.

"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message


As I recall the article, they were planning on flying under the Class
B near its edge. Of course that's now the ADIZ that goes all the way
down to the surface, so they were actually expecting to be in what is
now ADIZ.

....and was then the ADIZ.

--
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Maybe there should be some
periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or have
learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their license.

there is, it's the BFR; was the CFI who signed
this guy last BFR questioned in this incident?

--Sylvain

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get
your pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should be
some periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or
have learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their
license.

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable. Assuming
the AOPA account is mostly accurate, everybody ****ed up. A student pilot
could have done a better job of intercepting these guys.

moo

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--

Unfortunately that is correct. The FAA can mandate all the black
boxes that can be imagined at huge cost to GA or comercial pilots but
at the end of the day human failure will continue to be a major cause
of aircraft accidents, incidents and fatalities.

Ron Lee

I bet if they found some regulation or penalty that may decrease the
thousands of ADIZ incursions by half, they WILL do it.

Marco Leon

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen
bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from
ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--

Unfortunately that is correct. The FAA can mandate all the black
boxes that can be imagined at huge cost to GA or comercial pilots but
at the end of the day human failure will continue to be a major cause
of aircraft accidents, incidents and fatalities.

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen
bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from
ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--

Unfortunately that is correct. The FAA can mandate all the black
boxes that can be imagined at huge cost to GA or comercial pilots but
at the end of the day human failure will continue to be a major cause
of aircraft accidents, incidents and fatalities.

And insane measures will make such fallibility appear far more dangerous
than it is. Homeland Insecurity with a billion dollars couldn't talk one
lost pilot down or even identify what he was. This was failure at all
levels. It's crap. It's shoot to kill at any cost crap. Sky marshals on
GA flights crap. The radios didn't work crap. The cigarette lighter didn't
work crap. F16s trying to slow to 110KTS crap. CIs (commanding idiots)
wondering if this is the one to make an example of crap. ARRARAGHHH.. Ok.
Not tonight.

moo

Jay Honeck wrote:
Thanks to the stupid AD
against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s, the lighter had been
disconnected in the rental plane they flew.

You would prefer having the occasional in-flight fire? The owner could have
installed a fuse. If there's any stupidity involved in disconnecting it, it lies
on the shoulders of the owner.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Jay Honeck wrote:
Thanks to the stupid AD
against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s, the lighter had been
disconnected in the rental plane they flew.

The AD didn't make the lighter illegal. Cessna in their infinite wisdom
didn't put any circuit protection on the lighter so it was quite
possible to start a fire and never pop a breaker. The AD gave you a
choice. Either disconnect the lighter or put in a breaker.