Aviation Fatalities: "he died doing something he loved..."

It's a wise man who knows when enough is enough and when the hell to just
shut up and enjoy the trip.
Dudley Henriques



Good advice that I personally should take to heart. That Boyer clown is
just so infuriating that I have a hard time not spouting off (here and
through other means).

Good advice that I personally should take to heart.

Many of us on this NG wish you would do just that. Or find a hobby not
involving computers.

That Boyer clown is just so infuriating that I have a hard time not spouting off (here and
through other means).

A little restraint goes a long way, my friend...

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Personally, I wish he'd learn to keep his trap shut and just finish the
good ride life has given him.

This (latest) incident has only served to reinforce what I think about him.
I would not go across the street to hear him speak, and did not, while he
was speaking at OSH.

Respect has to be earned, every day we are on this spaceship we call Earth.
Yeager had respect at one time, but in my eyes, he has failed to keep it.

Here we have two men, at one time, perhaps two of the finest pilots in the
program.

Fast forward to present time. Crossfield has had many people (in this group
even) saying what a good and genuine person he always seemed to be.

Then there is Yeger. Which one of them would you rather be compared to?

That says it all, IMHO.
--
Jim in NC

Yeah, it's a damn shame when someone has it made like Yeager did, then
screws it all up by spoiling the "image". Yeager unfortunately is one of
these people.
Crossfield on the other hand just went out and did the job, took his licks,
and went on to live a very productive, quiet, and useful life.
I sincerely hope the accident investigation brings out further information
that helps clear the air about his judgment on the accident flight. The man
deserves a fair shot until the evidence proves otherwise. Yeager should have
known that and kept his mouth shut. What he said was about the cheapest shot
a dead pilot can get from a fellow pilot.
Dudley

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Personally, I wish he'd learn to keep his trap shut and just finish the
good ride life has given him.

This (latest) incident has only served to reinforce what I think about
him. I would not go across the street to hear him speak, and did not,
while he was speaking at OSH.

Respect has to be earned, every day we are on this spaceship we call
Earth. Yeager had respect at one time, but in my eyes, he has failed to
keep it.

Here we have two men, at one time, perhaps two of the finest pilots in the
program.

Fast forward to present time. Crossfield has had many people (in this
group even) saying what a good and genuine person he always seemed to be.

Then there is Yeger. Which one of them would you rather be compared to?

That says it all, IMHO.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Personally, I wish he'd learn to keep his trap shut and just finish the
good ride life has given him.

This (latest) incident has only served to reinforce what I think about
him. I would not go across the street to hear him speak, and did not,
while he was speaking at OSH.

Respect has to be earned, every day we are on this spaceship we call
Earth. Yeager had respect at one time, but in my eyes, he has failed to
keep it.

Here we have two men, at one time, perhaps two of the finest pilots in the
program.

Fast forward to present time. Crossfield has had many people (in this
group even) saying what a good and genuine person he always seemed to be.

Then there is Yeger. Which one of them would you rather be compared to?

That says it all, IMHO.

Yet Yeager is still alive.

When Crossfield was raking in the dough during the 60's, Yeager was making
$700 a month and flying combat missions in Viet-Nam.

When Crossfield was making upwards of six figures plus speaking fees, Yeager
was making $400 and giving hundreds of talks for free....on his own time.

I suspect that there's a lot of bitterness behind it all.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:Yw63g.8603

Yeager implied he was a hot dog who would always push it and that his
death by small plane wasn't surprising.

Yeager has never liked the civilian test pilots very much and has said so
on many occasions.

He ranted about that at length in his biography.

I had a strange experience doing a documentary ("Flying the P-38 Lightning")
with a bunch of WWII fighter vets one time. There was the straw-hat faction
(Hoover fans, bless 'em), and a couple of guys who sort of snubbed the
others. One guy mentioned what squadron he was in-- "YEAGER's
squadron!"--and then suddenly right in front of all of us, two or the old
guys looked at each other and turned their backs on him. One of the guys'
WIFE said "I wouldn't brag about that."

I don't know what Yeager did to **** them off, but there were about half a
dozen of us there including Jeff Ethell. We all just sort of shifted and
looked at each other. I asked one of them, with whom I'd chatted quite a
bit, and he said something to the effect that Yeager was a pompous ass and
anybody that served with him and bragged about it probably was too.

I took a mental snapshot of that moment.
-c

"gatt" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:Yw63g.8603

Yeager implied he was a hot dog who would always push it and that his
death by small plane wasn't surprising.

Yeager has never liked the civilian test pilots very much and has said so
on many occasions.

He ranted about that at length in his biography.

I had a strange experience doing a documentary ("Flying the P-38
Lightning") with a bunch of WWII fighter vets one time. There was the
straw-hat faction (Hoover fans, bless 'em), and a couple of guys who sort
of snubbed the others. One guy mentioned what squadron he was in--
"YEAGER's squadron!"--and then suddenly right in front of all of us, two
or the old guys looked at each other and turned their backs on him. One
of the guys' WIFE said "I wouldn't brag about that."

I don't know what Yeager did to **** them off, but there were about half a
dozen of us there including Jeff Ethell. We all just sort of shifted and
looked at each other. I asked one of them, with whom I'd chatted quite a
bit, and he said something to the effect that Yeager was a pompous ass and
anybody that served with him and bragged about it probably was too.

I took a mental snapshot of that moment.

Might have been that Yeager's squadrons won every competition that came
down. That tends to **** off the highly touted fair-haired boys that don't
cut it when the chips are down.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"gatt" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:Yw63g.8603

Yeager implied he was a hot dog who would always push it and that his
death by small plane wasn't surprising.

Yeager has never liked the civilian test pilots very much and has said
so on many occasions.

He ranted about that at length in his biography.

I had a strange experience doing a documentary ("Flying the P-38
Lightning") with a bunch of WWII fighter vets one time. There was the
straw-hat faction (Hoover fans, bless 'em), and a couple of guys who sort
of snubbed the others. One guy mentioned what squadron he was in--
"YEAGER's squadron!"--and then suddenly right in front of all of us, two
or the old guys looked at each other and turned their backs on him. One
of the guys' WIFE said "I wouldn't brag about that."

I don't know what Yeager did to **** them off, but there were about half
a dozen of us there including Jeff Ethell. We all just sort of shifted
and looked at each other. I asked one of them, with whom I'd chatted
quite a bit, and he said something to the effect that Yeager was a
pompous ass and anybody that served with him and bragged about it
probably was too.

I took a mental snapshot of that moment.

Might have been that Yeager's squadrons won every competition that came
down. That tends to **** off the highly touted fair-haired boys that don't
cut it when the chips are down.

For another example, check out how some of the media and the industry is
treatingLynn Tilton, the babe who bailed out MD Helicopters and how she is
kicking ass. Much of the "old boy network" doesn't seem to appreciate it,
especially her remarks about the supply chain in the avaiation industry
being "in shambles" in Rotor & WIng magazine.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Skylune wrote:
Yeager implied he was a hot dog who would always push it and that his death
by small plane wasn't surprising.

Yes, and Avflash pointed out that Crossfield didn't say anything when
Yeager ran off the runway a few years back. Maybe Yeager should learn a
few things about manners. Scott died after he asked for a course change
to avoid weather. I would guess that things were worse than he expected
and when he tried to get out of it he ran out of time and options all at
once. May he rest in peace.

Margy

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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Skylune wrote:
Yeager implied he was a hot dog who would always push it and that his
death
by small plane wasn't surprising.
Yes, and Avflash pointed out that Crossfield didn't say anything when
Yeager ran off the runway a few years back. Maybe Yeager should learn a
few things about manners. Scott died after he asked for a course change
to avoid weather. I would guess that things were worse than he expected
and when he tried to get out of it he ran out of time and options all at
once. May he rest in peace.

Margy

This is true, and most likely a very good guess. I'm also still interested
in seeing the post mortem report.
Dudley Henriques