Which DC Headphone is best choice?

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:40:54 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

The reviews of the 'AvShop Design A450 ANR' seem favourable but some
problem with slipping and not gel seals also a comment about a problem
with the sliding volume controls.

The Marv Golden MG-ANR seems to have the edge but I would still like
to know more about the 'Leatherette Ear Seals'. It appears not ot have
auto-shut-off?



They should be the exact same headsets. The seals are made of ConFor
Foam which gets soft with body temperature. Seals quite well, IMHO. They
should have auto-shutoff, too.

As for trying: How about money-back guarantees?

If you like, send me an e-mail and I could send you some further
information pertaining to this.

Thanks, e-mail on its way.

David

Price really isn't an issue any more (the gap between ANR and Passive is
almost negligable). Whilst I have the LS 30-3G, I would have considered the
Made in USA DRE 60000 (look like black DC13.4s) at $279 from Avionics West
if I knew they existed. Good reviews, but no personal experience. Avionics
West have a review on their website.

Personally (note and emphasise personal opinion) ANR leaves passive for
dead. I really liked my DCH20-10, but they do not come close to the
LS25XL/LS 30-3G as far as audio and comfort. I wouldn't go back to passive
unless there were no ANR sets available. Money well spent (and cheap
really) IMHO.

YMMV,



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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:45:21 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

like Emily said they're expensive
and use batteries which adds another weak point in the system.


No, they're not. and how are batteries a "weak point"?


I was thinking of extra wiring being vulnerable and possible flat
battery. However I now see some include auto-shut-off.

I don't get hung up on ANR, I just hate it when people judge things
with no basis in facts. ;-)


Sorry if you misundertood me, I wasn't getting at you personally, I
just wanted to stay on topic and not have a battle of passive/ANR.

My advice: Get a Marv Golden or Avshop branded version of the
Lightspeed QFR XCc for 250 $ or so. ANR, lightweight, cheap. If you're
in the UK, you can get them in Europe, too.

That's interesting. I haven't really looked at 'cheap' ANR but these
two are looking good. Now you've got me thinking again. My only
remaining reservation is reliability.

The reviews of the 'AvShop Design A450 ANR' seem favourable but some
problem with slipping and not gel seals also a comment about a problem
with the sliding volume controls.

The Marv Golden MG-ANR seems to have the edge but I would still like
to know more about the 'Leatherette Ear Seals'. It appears not ot have
auto-shut-off?

At $250 I'm much more interested as long as I'm not getting poor
quality at the expense of performance.

As for trying headsets I'd love to but I'm a long way from anywhere in
the UK that has a pilot shop. The only slight chance of trying
anything will be next year when I'm in Honolulu, but I don't hold out
much hope of a wide choice!

David

KevinBlack wrote:
Personally (note and emphasise personal opinion) ANR leaves passive for
dead. I really liked my DCH20-10, but they do not come close to the
LS25XL/LS 30-3G as far as audio and comfort. I wouldn't go back to passive
unless there were no ANR sets available. Money well spent (and cheap
really) IMHO.


http://www.marvgolden.com/headsets/mg40.htm (Scroll down to the general
aviation headset)
If you want bang for the buck, try the $79 Marv Golden David Clark 10-40
clones. I was very favorably impressed with them; particularly when I think of
what I paid for my DC 10-80 headset. Nice and clear sounding and it doesn't
squash my fat head (which the real DC 10-40 did).

What kills me is I could have had 4 of them for what I paid for the DC. Water
under the bridge.... I can't justify ANR until the DC dies though.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

In a previous article, "KevinBlack" said:
Personally (note and emphasise personal opinion) ANR leaves passive for
dead. I really liked my DCH20-10, but they do not come close to the
LS25XL/LS 30-3G as far as audio and comfort. I wouldn't go back to passive
unless there were no ANR sets available. Money well spent (and cheap
really) IMHO.

Man, that's true. I got the Headsets Inc conversion for my DC10-13.4s,
and I'm pretty happy with them. I was on an instrument training flight
soon after I got them, and my instructor noticed I was having problems
hearing the radio and him - then I noticed I'd forgotten to turn on the
ANR. Once it was on, problem solved.

That's when I was flying a four cylinder Archer. Now that I'm flying a
six cylinder Lance, I never forget to turn on the ANR because it's just
not fun flying behind that much noise.

I once saw an article from Flying Magazine in the 70s when people were
debating whether headsets were a good thing or not. Many of the same
arguments being made against ANR now were being made against headsets back
then. Especially the one about "not being able to hear the engine and
wind noise as well".

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
....if you squeeze a MS product into a small enough memory footprint there may
not be sufficient space for it to fall over, thus giving the impression it's
reliable. -- Geoff Lane

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Bob Noel wrote:

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Jonathan Goodish wrote:

I also don't consider the radio to be a safety item.

N12345 traffic 12 o'clock, opposite direction, same altitude


While it's aviate, navigate, and THEN communicate, there are
most definitely hazards mitigated by the radio.

Not really. Radio position reports are often missing, or they are
simply incorrect as pilots don't give accurate position reports. I
NEVER rely on radio position reports for anything. Nothing provides the
level safety of two (or more) eyeballs. At most, all radio position
reports do is remind you to do what you should be doing anyway--looking
for traffic.


JKG

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
Jonathan Goodish wrote:

There's always the panel-power option,
though that removes the flexibility to move the headset into another
aircraft.

Not always. My DC ANR set has a battery pack as well as the ability to plug
into
the panel-mounted power module.

As does the Headsets, Inc. upgrade kit for the DCs. However, most sets
with panel power don't seem to have this flexibility.



JKG

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:
N12345 traffic 12 o'clock, opposite direction, same altitude

You must be using a pretty ****ty passive headset if you can't make that
out.

I only claimed that I can hear the radio *better* with ANR. Not once
did I claim I couldn't hear. YMMV.


Your implication seems to be that hearing the radio "better" somehow
makes you "safer" over just being able to hear the radio. That's
nonsense.

Some of you folks should have marketing jobs with the ANR headset
manufacturers. I'm not saying that ANR is a bad thing, but it's
certainly way, way, way over-hyped and the benefits are greatly
exaggerated.



JKG

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
...
I'm not saying that ANR is a bad thing, but it's
certainly way, way, way over-hyped and the benefits are greatly
exaggerated.



JKG

In your opinion. That is not the case in my experience.

allen

Paul,

hen I noticed I'd forgotten to turn on the
ANR. Once it was on, problem solved.


Ah, score another point against ANR gd&r.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jonathan,

Some of you folks should have marketing jobs with the ANR headset
manufacturers. I'm not saying that ANR is a bad thing, but it's
certainly way, way, way over-hyped and the benefits are greatly
exaggerated.


Maybe we just disagree with your view/experience. No reason to throw
out personal insults (being accused of being a marketing type certainly
counts ;-)). And no reason to use words like "certainly" where it
certainly ain't certain.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)