Icing conditions

A Lieberma wrote:
Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

At the very least, you need to notice that you keep turning people off,
with the idea that you can tell them to whom they can respond and how.
And blacklisting people who disagree with your tactics? Talk about
disrespect.

You and Jim and a couple of others are way too obsessed with this.
Your posts are now 90% Mx phobia messages.

Turn off the computer for a couple of days, and get out to the real
world. I know that when you retire, the 'net is a tempting place to
get lost in, but seriously there are better places to go...

Kev

Dave,

With all due respect, you are SOOOO missing the entire point.

Rant /On

It isn't the questions. God knows we've all asked hundreds (if not
thousands) of questions of CFIs, Air Show Pilots, Airline Pilots, friends
who fly, etc...
Before I earned my PP-ASEL, any chance I would get to ask questions of real
pilots, I'd barage them. I still do.

I was (and still am to a large extent) an UberFencenHanginAirportenGeek.
For years I'd sit in my car near airports, shoot photos and listen to a
scanner...I still do this from time to time. I have over 10,000 35mm
slides. I have a library with over 3,000 books and magazines related to
flying of all kinds from hang gliding to flying fighter jets. It's one of
my prized posessions. I still build models. I still collect patches, pins,
manuals and antique panel instruments.

The worst part of my job? The fact that I work weekends and can't attend
airshows any more (my personal best was the summer of 1987. I was living in
Philly then and I made it to small airshows and AFB Open Houses from Boston
down to Pax River. IIRC, 12 or 13 shows that summer.)

But, the one thing that would have set me apart from our Albatross back then
and it would do so today (despite having immersed myself in aviation for
seemingly forever):

- I knew that I didn't know jack **** (and as it relates to flying, I still
know that one is constantly learning.)
- I knew how to say THANK YOU!!!

If an honest to gosh, flesh and blood pilot would take the time to answer my
stupid ground-pounder questions, I'd say thank you for your time. I'd ask,
they'd answer, I'd move on.

I wouldn't doubt them to their face - Mx Does
I wouldn't tell them they're wrong - Mx Does
I wouldn't attempt to sound superior - Mx Does
I sure as hell wouldn't try to bull**** them - Mx Does

So I'll say it again. It isn't the questions, it's the intent behind the
questions because if he already knows all the anwers then why is he asking?

Rant \Off

So you make the call Dave. You want to feed his addiction? You want to
help him get his jollies? Be my guest. I'm sticking firmly with those who
think he needs a nice long rest in a rubber room.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

"Jay Beckman" wrote in newsutbh.163$B42.153
@newsfe12.phx:

Hi Allen...

I'm still here and at r.a.p. but I'm just so blown away by where this
tragicomedy is at that I find my fingers are speechless most of the time.

LOL, takes serious self control Jay! You doing the right thing and sitting
back, but step in anytime!

What we need is a few of those size 8's banding together and kicking these
groups back in shape.

Allen

"Jay Beckman" wrote

I'm still here and at r.a.p. but I'm just so blown away by where this
tragicomedy is at that I find my fingers are speechless most of the time.

Great, to have you helping out. I'm taking a small, sort-of break. I'll jump
in again, if needed, I guess - but now, the situation is "trying" to be handled.

Thanks, to those of you being active in dealing with the problem.

To those of you that do not think there is a problem, re-read all of MX's posts.
It is easy to do, on most readers. Group his screen name together, then go at
it. Pay particular attention to how he replies to people giving advise. Think
respect, or lack there of.
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
"Mark Levin" wrote:

Then I added a layer of clouds at that altitude with severe icing.

So I guess that answers MX's question about the conditions under which
ice forms. The answer is: it forms when you switch it on.

;-)

rg

Dave wrote:


It was 30 some years ago when I was pumping "stupid" questions to a
pilot..

Personally, I think some of the questions keep me sharp. Some of the
"stupid" questions make me reach for the AIM or a chart to look up the
info before I post.

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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(OK - here comes the big controversy...)
It's the same type of hypocrisy that I believe exists among people who
complain about being called derogatory names, and then refer to each
other "jokingly" using the same bad words.

The difference?

Our Albatross flies a desk...I actually FLY.

Irrelevant to my point. If I walk around calling myself a "dirty cheap
kike", would you call me a hypocrite if I then got offended when you call
me a "dirty cheap kike"?



So thankyouverymuch but I'll refer to light GA aircraft in whatever
terms I choose and I don't give a tinkers damn if I come off sounding
high and mighty.

Yourwelcomeverymuch. You go ahead and refer to light GA aircraft in
whatever terms you want. But then don't be surprised when an outsider uses
the same language. But if that language offends you, then you shouldn't
have used it yourself.

It has nothing to do with high and mighty.

Anyway, it's a big beef of mine (especially the "N word"), and I've said my
peace. So I'll shut up about it now to prevent another MX thread from
evolving into prosperity.

Ron Garret wrote in
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The manual doesn't describe symptoms.

Then I'd say you're screwed. It is unlikely in the extreme that your
sim has anything remotely approaching a realistic model of ice
formation. Absent documentation, the only way I can think of to figure
out what kind of crude hack it has it to reverse-engineer the code.

You did say you are a computer expert, right?

Perhaps he can send EMail to Bill Gates. If he is as persistent as he has
been here, I bet he'll even get a reply.

Mark Levin writes:

The left turning tendencies caused by a single propeller which are
aggravated by increased pitch (p-factor mainly), are cancelled out
with a twin as the props counter rotate.

Both props rotate in the same direction on a Baron.

You've made enough other mistakes in your experiment to render it
largely invalid, but since this particular one dealt with the real
aircraft, I thought it salient enough to merit citation.

So much for an accurate simulation.

Indeed.

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Judah writes:

Perhaps he can send EMail to Bill Gates. If he is as persistent as he has
been here, I bet he'll even get a reply.

Done.

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