Boarding with engines running

Gary writes:

And don't think for a moment that the pretend controllers give a rats
ass about how long you leave the simulated plane on the pretend ramp
while boarding imaginary passengers.

Actually they do, although it depends somewhat on the controller.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gary writes:

And don't think for a moment that the pretend controllers give a rats
ass about how long you leave the simulated plane on the pretend ramp
while boarding imaginary passengers.

Actually they do, although it depends somewhat on the controller.



keyboard!



Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
Is it safe/advisable to board a small single- or twin-engined aircraft while
the prop(s) and engine(s) are turning? I'm just wondering if this is feasible
if you just have someone getting on or getting off (with the pilot being in
the aircraft the whole time).

We used to board the Islander at NWPC Cark while the pilot was running the
engines up. Bit scary the first few times

Andy

Flying a Cherokee180 I will always turn off the the engine for safety
sake and I won't start the engine if there's someone behind me,
fueling or working on their airplane. I will turn the plane away from
that individual for safety and out of courtesy. There's no reason to
take a chance. I use the chocks everytime I leave the airplane,
including in the hanger, and carry several sets with me. The larger
airports with a lineman will usually use their own set of chokes. I
have helped push a Cessna out of the snow with the power applied and
the slip stream was pretty strong, not something I would wish on
someone else.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Is it safe/advisable to board a small single- or twin-engined aircraft
while
the prop(s) and engine(s) are turning? I'm just wondering if this is
feasible
if you just have someone getting on or getting off (with the pilot being
in
the aircraft the whole time).


Mxmanic,

The people on the aviation newsgroup are giving you a pretty hard time. I
don't fully understand it. Your questions seem relevant to aviation in a
general sort of way. Sorry the group is so middle-schoolish to your
questions.

Your wanting your sim'ing to be as realistic as possible is perfectly
normal. I did it for a long time in MSFS as well as the F16 Fighting Falcon
sim. I wanted to do everything as the real pilot would do on a real mission
(sitting in on the briefing, programming the GPS, starting the engines,
setting the radio frequencies, etc). It adds to the realism and I
understand it's importance if it's something you will never be able to
experience in real life.

The planes we fly can be more fun than an airliner in the way they handle
and maneuver so quickly. They are also more fun than a simulator for those
financially fortunate enough to indulge in such an expensive hobby.
Further, it's not as dangerous as you alluded in a previous post, nor do
most of us fly because we are 'thrill seekers". It is a thrill, but not
because our lives are on the line. It's a thrill because so few people can
do it and do it well. We are proud of our training and the self-discipline
it takes to learn to fly properly and safely.

Also, the simulator is harder to fly than a real (tin can) airplane. In the
real plane all your senses are helping you control the plane. i.e. you
feel the acceleration, you feel the bank, the pitch, the yaw, etc. You can
feel the yoke stiffen as the plane accelerates, you feel the change in pitch
when you roll the trim in and you feel the brake pressure and you can feel
rudder pressure. It's so much different and all these sensations help you
coordinate the plane's attitude and control.

Landing is 10X's easier in the real plane because you can look out the
windows and have a true real life perspective of how high you are and how
fast you are moving. Often in a sim I lose perspective on altitude and
speed and genuinely get disoriented on landing.

Keep sim'ing and maybe one day you'll do what I did. I was flying MSFS one
afternoon and just said, "That's it!" I grabbed my check book and drove to
the local airport and plucked down 45 dollars for a 1/2 hour introductory
flight. I was instantly hooked and continued on to my instrument rating and
commercial pilot's license. I am also the owner of Cessna Cardinal RG and
have flown all over from Toronto, Maine, Georgia, Martha's Vineyard,
Nantucket, Miami and the Bahamas to name a few. It's quite an experience to
fly to far off destinations that I could never get to easily by car and
would be too short by airliner.

All the best, Kobra

Kobra writes:

The planes we fly can be more fun than an airliner in the way they handle
and maneuver so quickly.

If you like sudden movements. Sudden movements tend to make me queasy,
however.

Also, the simulator is harder to fly than a real (tin can) airplane.

In that case, I should be able to step into the real thing and fly it like a
pro immediately, since I have no trouble flying the sim most of the time.

Keep sim'ing and maybe one day you'll do what I did. I was flying MSFS one
afternoon and just said, "That's it!" I grabbed my check book and drove to
the local airport and plucked down 45 dollars for a 1/2 hour introductory
flight.

Perhaps one day when I have plenty of time and money I'll try it, although
there is a substantial risk of disappointment. Right now, I only have $8, so
it won't be any time soon.

I was instantly hooked and continued on to my instrument rating and
commercial pilot's license. I am also the owner of Cessna Cardinal RG and
have flown all over from Toronto, Maine, Georgia, Martha's Vineyard,
Nantucket, Miami and the Bahamas to name a few.

You must be independently wealthy.

It's quite an experience to
fly to far off destinations that I could never get to easily by car and
would be too short by airliner.

Sounds great, if you enjoy travel. I hate to travel, though (for me, that's
one of the _problems_ with aviation in real life, not one of the advantages).

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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If you like sudden movements. Sudden movements tend to make me queasy,
however.

Well, I didn't say "sudden". They are just more responsive. A better
analogy would be the difference between driving a Mustang verses a bus or
tractor-trailer. Both can be fun to drive for different reasons, but the
handling is far different.

Also, the simulator is harder to fly than a real (tin can) airplane.

In that case, I should be able to step into the real thing and fly it like
a
pro immediately, since I have no trouble flying the sim most of the time.

Probably not like a pro and not immediately, but your experience in a sim
will definately give you an advange over someone completely new to flying.
You will pick up on things more quickly. But be careful though, simmers
learn some bad habits too that start to become engrained and then are harder
to shake then someone completely new. For example...simmers tend to stare
at their instruments too much and have difficulty learning to fly by looking
out of the windscreen. They therefore "chase needles" quite a bit at first
in their begining lessons.

If you do take a lesson someday you will need time to adjust to the
sensations of flight and sight-picture. The sim and the real view out of
the windscreen are a bit different. The first thing you might not like is
if there is some mild turbulence. That is something simmers don't have to
deal with and the sim can't simulate well. It can be annoying, but it is a
true part of real flying that must be dealt with by pilots of all
disiplines.

Keep sim'ing and maybe one day you'll do what I did. I was flying MSFS
one
afternoon and just said, "That's it!" I grabbed my check book and drove
to
the local airport and plucked down 45 dollars for a 1/2 hour introductory
flight.

Perhaps one day when I have plenty of time and money I'll try it, although
there is a substantial risk of disappointment. Right now, I only have $8,
so
it won't be any time soon.

Maybe not anytime soon, but I would bet dollars to dougnuts that you will
someday have a good income.

I was instantly hooked and continued on to my instrument rating and
commercial pilot's license. I am also the owner of Cessna Cardinal RG
and
have flown all over from Toronto, Maine, Georgia, Martha's Vineyard,
Nantucket, Miami and the Bahamas to name a few.

You must be independently wealthy.

Wealthy is relative. I have an middle class income, but I skimp over here
to spend more over there. IOW's I budget for flying.


It's quite an experience to
fly to far off destinations that I could never get to easily by car and
would be too short by airliner.

Sounds great, if you enjoy travel. I hate to travel, though (for me,
that's
one of the _problems_ with aviation in real life, not one of the
advantages).

Really, hmmmm... you paint with a broad brush my man to say, "I hate to
travel..." A statement like that can only be made by someone who has
limited experience with traveling as an independent person. Maybe it has to
do with lack of money or maybe you hate being out amongst people.

What are some of your negative experiences with traveling that you base your
attitude on? Where did you travel and with whom? How do you feel about
people in general? These are really rhetorical questions and more for you
to contemplate than answer.

Kobra

On 02/28/07 09:06, Kobra wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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If you like sudden movements. Sudden movements tend to make me queasy,
however.

Well, I didn't say "sudden". They are just more responsive. A better
analogy would be the difference between driving a Mustang verses a bus or
tractor-trailer. Both can be fun to drive for different reasons, but the
handling is far different.

Also, the simulator is harder to fly than a real (tin can) airplane.

In that case, I should be able to step into the real thing and fly it like
a
pro immediately, since I have no trouble flying the sim most of the time.

Probably not like a pro and not immediately, but your experience in a sim
will definately give you an advange over someone completely new to flying.
You will pick up on things more quickly. But be careful though, simmers
learn some bad habits too that start to become engrained and then are harder
to shake then someone completely new. For example...simmers tend to stare
at their instruments too much and have difficulty learning to fly by looking
out of the windscreen. They therefore "chase needles" quite a bit at first
in their begining lessons.

Wow. It's clear from this that you haven't looked at much of MX's postings.

It's really sad to see people go through this over and over and over and over....

"Mark Hansen" wrote

Wow. It's clear from this that you haven't looked at much of MX's
postings.

It's really sad to see people go through this over and over and over and
over....

Yeah, when I read that post I thought, well, now I know what a fish that's
already been caught must feel like watching the other fish chase after the
bait...

BDS

Mark Hansen writes:

It's really sad to see people go through this over and over and over and over....

Only if you are frustrated by your inability to control others.

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