Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Mxsmanic wrote:

Bob Moore writes:


Head and body should remain perpendicular to the floor of the
cockpit. This comes naturally if the turn is coordinated.


Interesting. When you learn to ride a motorcycle, you're taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon in turns ... because turning your head with the
bike as you lean into a turn results in disorientation.

How the hell would you know?

Erik writes:

How the hell would you know?

Because I took training in motorcycle riding, and I've driven motorcycles in
the past. Bicycles work on the same principle. And so, apparently, do
aircraft.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Erik writes:

How the hell would you know?

Because I took training in motorcycle riding, and I've driven motorcycles in
the past. Bicycles work on the same principle. And so, apparently, do
aircraft.

Let's see, airplanes free to move in 3 axis, orientation and velocity
determined by gravity, engine thrust, and aerodynamic forces on the
control surfaces.

Motorcycles, free to move in 2 axis, orientation and velocity determined
by gravity, engine power, coefficient of friction between the tires
and the surface, the surface itself, relative angle between front
and rear wheels, gyroscopic action of the wheels.

Yep, you're right, they're identical.


--
Jim Pennino

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Erik writes:

How the hell would you know?

Because I took training in motorcycle riding, and I've driven motorcycles
in
the past. Bicycles work on the same principle. And so, apparently, do
aircraft.

Wow, you have actually been trained to ride a motorcycle. Was it the same
school that teaches other monkeys to do so too.

Did you get a real certificate, cap and gown, trophy.

What a putz. That statement alone is suitable for framing.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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And so, apparently, do aircraft.

Hey, I tried duplicating flight with my motorcycle, but I ended up crashing
into the retaining wall at the end of the runway.

I plan to sue you.

Who is you lawyer?

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:26:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Interesting. When you learn to ride a motorcycle, you're taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon in turns ... because turning your head with the
bike as you lean into a turn results in disorientation.

It didn't for me! I rode a bike for a couple years, and I leaned with
the machine.

I do the same thing with the bike-bike, though of course with pedal
power the lean isn't very radical.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

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forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
When you make a coordinated turn in an aircraft, are you taught to let your
head tilt with the bank angle of the aircraft, or are you taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon?

You are taught to step on the ball to keep it centered.

(Anxiously awaiting the usual arrogant, childish, arguements that real
pilots know nothing and are not to be trusted)

--
Jim Pennino

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wrote:
You are taught to step on the ball to keep it centered.

*lingua placed firmly in buccal cavity*

But what about the real possibility of twisting one's ankle while
attempting this obviously dangerous and ill-advised maneuver?

It's plain to see that the FAA has got it all wrong here, and that the
best solution is to either step _away_ from the ball, or else shut
yourself up in your room and simulate anything, lest one of those poor,
misguided pilots and their ill-maintained machines comes around with
this kind of hazardous training and actually does some flying.

:P

TheSmokingGnu

I generally keep my head parallel to the top of the computer screen. This
avoids falling out of the chair.

For steep turns, I tilt the monitor so it is parallel with the horizon.

Now, please proceed to impress us with your knowledge about the vestibular
system.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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I generally keep my head parallel to the top of the computer screen. This
avoids falling out of the chair.

For steep turns, I tilt the monitor so it is parallel with the horizon.


Isn't your computer table mounted on springs? C'mon...get with it!