P-51 question.

"Ed Majden" wrote:
wrote:

First you blame America for the demise of the AVRO CF-105 (because we
didn't subsidize YOUR aircraft industry) and now you blame the USA
for Canada's weaseling out of going to Iraq because we didn't get
the UN onboard

I just pointed out that one of the reasons the Arrow was cancelled was
that the USA would not buy it.

Perhaps you need to go back to "Marketing 101" then. Kinda'
stupid on Canada's part to waste all that time and money on designing,
production tooling, prototype development, flight testing etc.
on a very expensive aircraft evidently based on nothing more than
an assumption that the USA would buy your product.

Now lets look at the hard facts!

Canada bought: USA bought
F86
Banshee
T-33 ZIP
CF-104
CF-101
CF-5
CIM10B Bomarc
C130 Herc
CF-18
and others!

Now who is supporting who's aircraft industry!

You flatter yourself. None of those mass produced American aircraft
required Canada's financial support. Furthurmore, many of those
aircraft were (and are) exported to other countries, not just Canada.

-Mike Marron

Andrew Chaplin wrote:

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

Good point. And truth be known, those are superb Canadian aircraft.

-Mike Marron

av8r wrote:

Hi Mike

Take a deep breathe...no deeper and lighten up on your verbal diatribe .

One of my buds actually sent me a Popeye t-shirt that sez, "I yam what
I yam."

I would not put much credence in them polls. They were sponsored by the
left wing bleeding heart socialist closet commie media. Hmmm...did I
leave anything out???

Don't blame the Canadian military for the sorry state they are in. It's
the bloody politicians that are at fault. Man for man, they are as
highly trained and motivated and not to mention as brave as you are
going to find anywhere on this earth. I can attest from first hand
experience having served beside them.

You make some good points there Chris, but I think you misunderstand.
In other words, if tripe like this doesn't **** you off then nothing
does:

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"John C. Baker" wrote:

Do I believe that America was to blame for 9-11? Yes -- in the sense
that the terrorists were attacking the United States because of its
Mid-East policies.

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I won't tell you how old I am, 'BUT', when I was learning to fly, I paid
11 bucks an hour for a C-172 and 9 bucks an hour for a C-150 Aerobat.

I cost me more money to earn all my FAA pilot and mechanic
certificates and ratings than I even care to think about, however,
these days most of the flight instruction I give is in my own
N-numbered weightshift aircraft (e.g: known as a "trike"). It was
the first aircraft in it's category and class to be N-numbered
east of the Mississippi and is still the only certified aircraft of
it's type in existence in the entire Southeastern U.S.A. As a CFII,
I've paid my dues giving primary instruction so even at $85 per hour
(the going rate in these things, BTW) I often turn students away
preferring to fly solo and just go up and hang out with the birds
instead. Granted, $85 per hr. sounds like a lot of dough, but trust
me, I'm not exactly getting rich and couldn't care less if I train or
not.

Cheers...Chris

Back 'atcha

USAF Public Affairs Officer
722nd SUS (ACC)
DSN: 628-2663

-Mike Marron

Andrew Chaplin wrote:

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

There are also some Dash-7s in US service for the Army's Airborne
Reconnaissance--Light and Dash-8s as an Air Force range monitoring aircraft.

--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

Thomas Schoene wrote:

Andrew Chaplin wrote:

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

There are also some Dash-7s in US service for the Army's Airborne
Reconnaissance--Light and Dash-8s as an Air Force range monitoring aircraft.

I did not know that. I am surprised they bothered with the -7, it does
not seem to be the value for the money that the -8 is. (I have a bias,
I chartered a -7 for a trip by the House of Commons fisheries
committee -- it got rained on in Charlottetown (CYYG) and went bloody
u/s!)
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message link.net...
Andrew Chaplin wrote:

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

There are also some Dash-7s in US service for the Army's Airborne
Reconnaissance--Light and Dash-8s as an Air Force range monitoring aircraft.

ARL actually stands for Airborne Reconnaissance Low; IIRC, they (or
almost all of them by now) are now called ARL-M (with M being
"multi-function", including a SAR along with the sensors). Initial
version was ARL-I (imaging only, and one of these was reportedly the
ARL that was lost over Columbia a year or two back)), followed by
ARL-C (COMINT), with the two ARL-C's reportedly upgraded to ARL-M. All
are sheduled to be replaced in the future by the Airborne Common
Sensor (ACS) program, likely to be based upon a twin jet such as a
Bombadier or Gulfstream based airframe.

Brooks

wrote in message
...
"Ed Majden" wrote:

You should take you blinders off and stop getting your version of
history from Hollywood movies!

And you should stick your maple-leaf colored blinders where
the sun don't shine. Like I said, the NYC police department has
more personnel than the entire "Forces Armees Canadiennes."

-Mike Marron

It would appear, Mike has been taking lessons on Canadian history from our
old friend John Tarver !!! :-))

BMC

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message
link.net...
Andrew Chaplin wrote:

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

There are also some Dash-7s in US service for the Army's Airborne
Reconnaissance--Light and Dash-8s as an Air Force range monitoring
aircraft.

ARL actually stands for Airborne Reconnaissance Low;

Yep, thanks for the correction.


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Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

wrote:

I dunno, but from where I'm sitting it looks like Tarver clones like
you are multiplying like rabbits around here. Look at your nonsensical
Tarveresque retort about "history" and ask yourself how it
specifically relates to what I wrote about the number of personnel in
Canada's armed services ****today****

Canada has about 52,000 effectives and another 7,000 (training and
medical holding lists, etc.) in their regular force. It has about
30,000 primary reservists.

How many are there serving full-time in the NYPD? Part-time?

...to be continued

-Mike (Kuwait has more soldiers than Canada does!) Marron

They need more, their neighbours are far less considerate than ours.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Andrew Chaplin wrote:
wrote:

I dunno, but from where I'm sitting it looks like Tarver clones like
you are multiplying like rabbits around here. Look at your nonsensical
Tarveresque retort about "history" and ask yourself how it
specifically relates to what I wrote about the number of personnel in
Canada's armed services ****today****

Canada has about 52,000 effectives and another 7,000 (training and
medical holding lists, etc.) in their regular force. It has about
30,000 primary reservists.

How many are there serving full-time in the NYPD? Part-time?

I don't know, but according to "Law Enforcement News" (December
2001)...

55,000: The number of NYPD personnel who will undergo mandatory
psychological counseling to address post-traumatic stress stemming
from the World Trade Center attack.

...to be continued

-Mike (Kuwait has more soldiers than Canada does!) Marron

They need more, their neighbours are far less considerate than ours.

If only. If ONLY our neighbors were equally as considerate instead of
blaming us for the 9/11 attacks, refusing to support us in Iraq, etc.
etc.

-Mike Marron