Which post-WW2 combat aircraft have not been used in combat?

"Ian Craig"
deHavilland
Vampire,

Wasn't the Vampire used in India/Pakistan and some other small nation
skirmishes? I thought it was used by some African countries. I could be
mistaken.

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...
Mike Marron wrote:

(Kirk Stant) wrote:

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Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

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Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar,

TF-9s used as armed FastFACs by the Marines in Vietnam. Tunnan used in the
Belgian Congo, as already mentioned by someone.


Avro Vulcan,

Falklands.

English Electric Lightning,

Possibly used by Saudi Arabia and/or Kuwait for ground attack? Unlikely.

No, I believe it was used by Saudi Arabia in the attack role against
Yemeni targets.


Alpha Jet,

Not sure on this.

I believe it may have seen use by Nigeria?


Folland Gnat,

India, in both 1965 and 1971.

BAe Hawk,

COIN.

Tupolov Tu-22,

Usd by both Iraq and Libya according to Bill Gunston (circa. 1979), the
former against the Kurds, the latter against Tanzania in support of Uganda.

I thought it also saw use by Libya in Chad early on?




Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16,

An Irawi Tu-16 bombed Netanya, israel during the Six-day war; it was shot
down (shared by a Mirage and AAA). Also used by Egypt to fire Kelt ARMs
against Israel in 1973.

Also used by Egypt in Yemen.


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Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer,

Namibia by RSA, DS by RAF.

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee,

Banshees were used in Korea by the USN, but I can't remember if the -4 was.

Dassault Ouragen,

Israel (56, 67 and WoA) and India (1965 for sure).

I think it may also have seen use by El Salvadore?


Hawker Sea Fury,

FAA in Korea.

And IIRC it saw action in Cuba (Bay of Pigs, by Castro's folks, and
previous to that by the Batista loyalists).

Brooks


Supermarine Attacker...

Don't think Pakistan used it in combat, but won't swear to it.

Guy

Just did a quick read, may have missed these:

Boeing B-50
Grumman F11F Tiger

Jack


"Kirk Stant" wrote in message
om...
Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

"H" *****.*******@**.****.** wrote in message ...
"Mike Marron" kirjoitti
om...
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab

Republic F-84F France Egypt 1956

Not sure about that, but I did read that it continued to serve with
both Greece and Turkey until 76, so the likelihood of it seeing combat
at some point is there.

Brooks


29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,

Fiat G.91 Portugal - Angola, Mosambique

Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,

Tupolev Tu-16 - Iraq ?, Egypt Israel
Tupolev Tu-22 - Iraq ?, Libya Tsad

Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Grumman F7F Tigercat - Korea


Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.





H

Indeed but the RB-45C served with the 91st Strategic Reconnaissance
Squadron and saw some action in Korea.

Keith

RB-47 also saw some action over and near USSR, I believe one was lost.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

A couple more early limited-run jets -- the composite Ryan FR1 Fireball
and Vought F6U Pirate.

North American AJ Savage

If we're ruling out recce/weather/tanker/ELINT/ECM etc., the B66 and A3D
(although the at least the Destroyer certainly suffered combat losses in
one or more of those roles -- what about the Skywarrior?).

And I would have sworn that the FJ4/F1/AF1 Fury saw service in Vietnam,
but according to http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p86_24.html they were
withdrawn from active service by 1962.

Could add as well:

Martin AM-1 Mauler
Grumman AF-2S Guardian

Jack


"Kirk Stant" wrote in message
om...
Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

"Jack G" wrote in message
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Just did a quick read, may have missed these:

Boeing B-50
Grumman F11F Tiger

Jack

421ARS operated the KB-50J from Yokota 1960-Oct 1964 including operating a
Detachment at Takhli.

Tex

Don't think aerial refueling fits the original posters intent:

"which post-WW2 combat aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their
intended roles in an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot,
or whatever it's called these days)?"

I don't think a B-50 ever dropped a bomb in anger.

An F11F did shoot itself down accidentally by diving through the path of its
own shells, but I don't think that counts as a shooting war.

Jack

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Jack G" wrote in message
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Just did a quick read, may have missed these:

Boeing B-50
Grumman F11F Tiger

Jack

421ARS operated the KB-50J from Yokota 1960-Oct 1964 including operating a
Detachment at Takhli.

Tex

"av8r" wrote in message
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My guess is that the only British type to see no combat is the
Lightning -

Hi

You can add the Supermarine Swift and Gloster Javelin to that list.


Its already been mentioned that the Javelin saw service in Malaya
operating from RAF Butterworth

Keith