For those still insisting that France has always been our friend...

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message ...
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=6976

SNIP

Avant-Guer Chronique d'un cataclysme annoncé
(Pre-War: Account of an Impending Cataclysm)
http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no2/mo-worldwara.html

Ironically it was Jean Marie Le Penn who could have changed all that
but he was anti immigration and the lunar left and white hating nazi
baiters prefer the corrupt and pathetic Quisling right winger Chirac
to someone that might preserve an European nation, and prevent its
ethnocide as an European nation.

Guillaume Faye, the man mentionned in the article linked above, is a
far-right ideologyst, with open tied to european NEO-NAZI parties.
You can use him as a reference, but at your own peril.

Yeah well he's right wing, anti-immigration and anti-ethnocide
1/ Nothing wrong with that.
2/ Eventualy some sliming cockcroach will try and add the Nazi label
to anyone with any one of those views.

For an *Enlightenment" you seem pretty narrow minded and racist (or a plain
red-necked biggot?).

I prefer the term "race realist", I am a student of "human
biodiveristy".

I am a pan european White activist. My purpose is to defend the
diverse White peoples of the world who originated in Europe against
slander, villfications and to give them a right to speak with a voice
as a White Person the same as Blacks and Jews can without being
attacked. White people have the right to express their unique
cultural and ethnic heritage and they have some right to live in
nations in which they are not "Kurdified".

I find myself substantialy in agreement with Stanley Womaks Resisting
Defamations web site: http://www.resistingdefamation.org/

I'm sorry I you're shocked by these words but if you defend Faye's and
LePen's ideas that all you are.

I'm not shocked by any of the deluded labels and slack thinking
politically correct nutters can come up with anymore.

One day you will learn to debate or make substantive points instead of
attempting to project labels on the the unknown as "Nazi" or "racist"
or "redeck". (Incidently I am probably more educated than you)

I'm trying to save your French ass as well.

If you really know what ideas they defend, of course.

One of Le Penn's ideas was to prevent donations of Saudi and other
middle eastern nations money to Mosques in France as long as this was
also prevented form erecting churches in their countries.

Sounds good to me and eminently more sensible for any western nation
then any of the ideas the treasonous elites running France now have.
I don't know all of LePenns or Faye's ideas and I don't believe I
agree with all but I could go with them.

Having seen what parts of France have become and how it is continuing
wish it had of happened years ago.

2-3 years ago I would have described myself as left wing or liberal.
I'm now happy to be a White Racialist and please no such terms as
"hater" or "supremacist"

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics (I
know its hard to beleive but with a worse attitude). The French are
silenced by the prevailing multicrapism ideology and frightened of
dealing in the world as a proud and independant nation. The Ghost of
Americas future perhaps?

Well, the Hispanics are mostly Roman Catholic

Still, your point is worth taking. While American Muslims are far from
being the homogeneous group you'll find in France (I presume they're
most Algerian-French, or at least with ties to North Africa),

North African: either Arab or Black.

Islam
has indeed made remarkable gains in the U.S. In part this is because
of the Black Muslim movement of the 1960s. Many if not a majority of
U.S. Muslims are African-American, and of those, many if not a
majority were baptized as children. It will be interesting to see how
this plays out.

Black American Islam is odd (judged by middle eastern norms) and in
some of its forms would be considered herectical in the middle east,
not that the Black American muslims are concerned with that
disapproval. They are afterall americans by ethnicity.

The situation is not as France in which there are possibly 14 million
muslims of Nth African/Arab decent (someting equivalen to raical
privacy laws prevents proper data). Most of the S11 attackers were
based in France at one point.



The U.S. of course has had considerable experience with diverse
populations--that's how the country was fashioned.




And we don't have a
situation where 90 percent of the population is of European origin and
10 percent North African / Muslim. California is already a state
without a majority ethnic group. The U.S. as a whole will get there
eventually.

Unless Astlan, the mexian superstate some chicano supremacist promote
splits the nation. Hispanics are tollerated a high degree of ethnic
indentity that American Whites are not. You migh think its remote but
its a demograpahic possibility.

Indeed, if the "melting pot" hadn't worked so well in
earlier generations, we would have been there almost from the
beginning. Both my parents were born in Ireland. I have no relatives
in the U.S. except my immediate family. I hold Irish and American
passports and citizenship. My only child is married to an Englishman;
my granddaughters hold British and American passports. Yet I feel
perfectly at home here.

There are of parts of the country where you can not function without
speaking spannish and will need to travel an hour before you can rely
on finding english.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/G...20031014.shtml
Looking for America in Chicago
Herbert London

Eurpeans consist of approximetly 50 ethnicticy, relatively diverse
they are united by much in common. Indo-Germanics may as well be
called Celto-Germanics as they hold much in common linguistically and
in the structure of their pre-christian religions.

America was built on the same ethnies that were indigenous to Europe
though it started as a predominatly Nth Eruopean one. There was an
suddently influx of Italians during the revolution there and Irish
during the famine. Just more europeans though in some cases a
tempororay problem. The Irish for instance were often poor because
they could not speak English and were illiterate in both languages.
(nothing like strets of NY) It was a social problem that would go
away and had little to do with prejudice.

Some of the problems the US has now are not going away: such as racial
set asides for even new immigrant Hispanics. There is obviously a
limited capacity to pay for this.

Between 1925 to 1965 the immigraion restriction act limited immigraion
to (300,000?) and in proportiin to the ethnic ratios present then in
the US population.

Ending it didn't help Black men. They were then 85% to 90% employed
and cheaper Hispanic labour has replaced them so now their emplyment
levels are 50%. Americas jails are the fuller for it probably. So
much for the civil rights act.

"Diverse" America may work but consider that it may not stack up well
against the more homogenous chinese who are unburdened by economicaly
and educationaly sub-averge groups. It may work but your children and
grandchildren may not be all that well of within it. Its not all beer
and skittles as your son in law migh say.



all the best -- Dan Ford
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ost (Chris Mark) wrote in message ...
From: bernxard@yah

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a poster from
France can explain the situation.


Not well since my last trip there. My friend got pick pocjeted by a
group of 4+ in my presence. We need Charles Martell to sort this one
out IMOP


Hispanics in the US are integrating at a fairly rapid pace, some much faster
than others (the term covering so many national origins). A couple of
examples: More than half of all Hispanics are in white collar jobs
(up from 35% in 1980). English reading scores, out of a possible 500,
the Hispanic immigrant in the US less than 5 years scores 156.
Hispanic immigrant in country more than 10 years, 270. National average for all Americans, 282.

There are tons of these data for Hispanic and other immigrants to the US, all
showing rapid assimilation.

The US averge for English is appaling: pulled down by a very low black
rate so "282" is hardly likely to be impressive. Since Blacks test
for IQ at 85 and SECOND generation Hispanics only marignally better at
92 we are actualy seeing either a dysgenic effect an certainly a
lowering of education and cognitive abillity.

Very wide gaps between blacks and hispanics at one end of the scale
(getting worse and widening after a tiny improvement) and Whites are
very apparent.

There is some data and links to this he
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/no_excuses.htm

Whole regions of the US now have crap english and crap spannish as
some are even illiterat in their own tongue.


There is also some recent data indicating that the influx of Hispanics into the
US may have already passed its peak, or will do so shortly.


I'd call that a deluded pipe dream and the Birth rate is still
enormous.

And PBS

PBS? Pfffft

commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our first
"Hispanic" president.


Pfffft. Yep Bush is a bit of a pandering Quisling in that regard.
Isn't Jeb married to a Hispanic?

How to talk about race in the meocon Republican party. Don't.



Chris Mark

(The Enlightenment) wrote :

I don't get the implied ambiguity...

Of _course_ you don't, and Coulter loves you for it. As I said, she
_needs_ credulous nitwits.

Pardon moi, who gives a **** whether the march was from selma to
mongomery, form mongomery to selma or on selma or via charlies
chocklate elevator.

Nice to see an adult writing style to go along with your adult reading
style... In any case, she said "...liberals babble on and on about the
"heady"
days of civil rights marches. Between 1995 and 2001, the New York
Times alone ran more than one hundred articles on "Selma" alone..."
while a quick check showed that that was not the case. It's a fairly
substantive criticism, given the claim she was making.

Calling a neocon, pro-immigration, half jewish guy (on his fathers
side) "conservative" is as accurate as calling Ghenkis Khan a nomad.

It's impossible to be a neoconservative if you're half jewish? Dear
me... but at least that makes it easier to see where you're coming
from. As for being pro-immigration: given the number of neo-cons who
trace their political heritage to that immigrant, Leo Strauss, you may
want to rethink that particular epithet.

Scott

"The Enlightenment" a écrit dans le message de news:
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Cub Driver wrote in message
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Still, your point is worth taking. While American Muslims are far from
being the homogeneous group you'll find in France (I presume they're
most Algerian-French, or at least with ties to North Africa),

North African: either Arab or Black.

The word Arab refers to people that speak an arabic language. Not to a so
called "race".

North-Africans are not "Arabs". Irakis, Saudis, Kuwaitis, Omanis are what
you call "Arabs". Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans are Maghrebians.



Black American Islam is odd (judged by middle eastern norms) and in
some of its forms would be considered herectical in the middle east,
not that the Black American muslims are concerned with that
disapproval. They are afterall americans by ethnicity.

The situation is not as France in which there are possibly 14 million
muslims of Nth African/Arab decent (someting equivalen to raical
privacy laws prevents proper data).

14 million. Yeah right. 1 out of 4 frenchmen is north african?
Divide it by 3 and you'll be getting closer

Most of the S11 attackers were
based in France at one point.

And in Germany. And in the USA.


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Skysurfer wrote:
Chris Mark wrote :

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they
are France's
Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French
life? Perhaps a
poster from France can explain the situation.


Not bad compared to English ones calling for
jihad and more 09/11 in
Finsburry Park Mosque ...
I remember those clowns on CBS News-they had something on them during the
9/11 anniversary coverage. Seems that Mosque is under both British and American
investigation for being an Al-Queda Front and recruiting operation-wasn't
the shoe bomber from there? Now he's in Trinidad, Colorado's Supermax serving
life-and he won't get out unless it's in a pine box.

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Subject: France is Not a Western Country Anymore
From: (Scott MacEachern)
Date: 10/28/03 6:36 AM Pacific Standard Time

Nice to see an adult writing style to go along with your adult reading
style... In any case, she said "...liberals babble on and on about the
"heady"
days of civil rights marches. Between 1995 and 2001, the New York
Times alone ran more than one hundred articles on "Selma" alone..."
while a quick check showed that that was not the case. It's a fairly
substantive criticism, given the claim she was making.



Scott

Selma changed America forever and will always be remembered for having done
so. Only fools or those with anti democratic agendas like Coulter try to
forget, And try to intimidate others into forgetting. Truly evil. Selma is one
of the truly great events in American history.People of conscience will never
forget.


Arthur Kramer
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Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: bernxard@

How well are Muslims integrating into French life?

Not well since my last trip there.

"A relative lack of interest in Islam has also been confirmed by the French
police in interviews with many of the young persons of North African descent
who have been apprehended and charged in the attacks [on Jews]. This is not
particularly surprising. In fact, until lately the image of Islamists in
French-North African popular culture was, if anything, likely to be a negative
one. Mahmoud Zemmouri’s 1997 movie 100% Arabica, starring the hugely popular
Algerian-born rai singers Khaled and Cheb Mami, depicts the imams in a French
banlieue as brutal puritanical power-mongers — and as being in bed with the
local political establishment to boot. The movie ends with a scene of a rai
concert being broken up by Islamist thugs swinging baseball bats."
--from John Rosenthal's article "Anti-semitism and Ethnicity in Europe" in the
current issue of Policy Review. Complete article at:

http://www.policyreview.org/oct03/rosenthal.html

So, apparently, the situation is filled with the usual complications.

so "282" is hardly likely to be impressive.
The number itself is not what is significant in this context. The significance
is how rapidly the Hispanic immigrant approaches the US average, however
wretched that may be, in *English* reading skill, suggesting that those who
insist Hispanics are forming a permanent internal alien class of non-English
speakers, are wrong.

Since Blacks test
for IQ at 85 and SECOND generation Hispanics only marignally better at
92 we are actualy seeing either a dysgenic effect an certainly a
lowering of education and cognitive abillity.

Damfino, but since those who predict these things are suggesting that the next
great wave of immigration into the US of A will come from East Asia, and since
people like J. Phillippe Rushton, developmental psychologist at the University
of Western Ontario, argue that "mogoloids" are like, um, really, really smart
(see for example, his essay "Race, brain size and intelligence" in Personality
and Individual Differences), maybe this doesn't matter, especially since males
of all races seem to eagerly breed with "mongoloid" women. Oh, dear,
miscegenation, that dreadful act that gives us such troglodytes as Tiger
Woods.

Very wide gaps between blacks and hispanics at one end of the scale
(getting worse and widening after a tiny improvement) and Whites are
very apparent.

There is some data and links to this he
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/no_excuses.htm

Clicking on that site I see a review of the book "No Excuses: Closing the
Racial Gap in Learning," by Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and his wife,
Manhattan Institute think-tanker Abigail,
in which the reviewer summarizes the authors' findings as: "Why does this
racial learning gap exist? The Thernstroms’ basic argument is (to put it more
bluntly than they would): black and Hispanic students ain't dumb—they're just
lazy."

Granting that to be true, it says nothing about their native intelligence, as
you appear to suggest.

Whole regions of the US now have crap english and crap spannish as
some are even illiterat in their own tongue.

You don't say.

commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our
first
"Hispanic" president.

Pfffft. Yep Bush is a bit of a pandering Quisling in that regard.

Rodriquez' view is that Bush sees the world in north-south terms rather than
east-west terms, thus making him "Hispanic" in world outlook. Don't know that
I agree with that assessment--or even understand its significance--but it did
strike me as interesting that a man of left-wing views whose father was born in
Mexico sees GW Bush as a "Hispanic."

Isn't Jeb married to a Hispanic?

Columba was born in--gasp! shudder!--Mexico. Interesting how many American
"conservatives" marry outside "the race"; another one who pops immediately to
mind is Sen. Phil Gramm,
married to Korean-American economist Wendy Lee.
Of course, this could be just a sign that race is rapidly declining in
significance in American life. Surveys of Generation Y, the largest birth
cohort in American history, indicate race, gender and sexual preference have
virtually zero significance for these young people, who tend to judge people on
an individual basis and not group them by category, as their elders so often
do. What a terrible development.

How to talk about race in the meocon Republican party. Don't.

Being a Democrat, I wouldn't know.



Chris Mark

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message
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"The Enlightenment" a écrit dans le message de
news:
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Cub Driver wrote in message
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Still, your point is worth taking. While American Muslims are far from
being the homogeneous group you'll find in France (I presume they're
most Algerian-French, or at least with ties to North Africa),

North African: either Arab or Black.

The word Arab refers to people that speak an arabic language. Not to a so
called "race".

Like most racists, 'The Enlightenment' isn't that hot on knowing what 'race'
actually means.

North-Africans are not "Arabs". Irakis, Saudis, Kuwaitis, Omanis are what
you call "Arabs". Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans are Maghrebians.



Black American Islam is odd (judged by middle eastern norms) and in
some of its forms would be considered herectical in the middle east,
not that the Black American muslims are concerned with that
disapproval. They are afterall americans by ethnicity.

The situation is not as France in which there are possibly 14 million
muslims of Nth African/Arab decent (someting equivalen to raical
privacy laws prevents proper data).

14 million. Yeah right. 1 out of 4 frenchmen is north african?
Divide it by 3 and you'll be getting closer

Like most racists, 'The Enlightenment' isn't that hot on numbers either.

Most of the S11 attackers were
based in France at one point.

And in Germany. And in the USA.

'Saudi' Arabia should probably be mentioned at this point.

John

On 28 Oct 2003 05:50:24 -0800, The Enlightenment wrote:

The situation is not as France in which there are possibly 14 million
muslims of Nth African/Arab decent

14 million? Where do you get that figure from?