An Unexpected Finding Among Commercial Pilots

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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John Mazor writes:

Almost always only after they have reached an advanced
stage
in their addiction.

Drinking and driving alone doesn't count as an advanced
stage of addiction?

If it is habitual and not a rare event, then yes, but you
didn't specify that. You made an absolute declaration.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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nobody writes:

None.

Then your pilot friends are not representative of the
pilots under discussion.
The pilots being discussed are those who drink and drive.
Obviously, if
someone is careful not to drink and drive, he'll probably
be at least as
careful not to drink and fly.

I can think of at least ten

How many of them are still alive?

As I said, I mistrust your sample. I socialize with
pilots and non-pilots.
How many pilots do you socialize with?

I don't socialize at all. I rely on studies with sound
methodologies rather
than anecdotal personal experience.

Which would explain your armchair "knowledge" of aviation,
not to mention human behavior and life in general.

It also suggests why you don't socialize - who wants to hang
around a know-it-all who doesn't know it all and doesn't
even know that he doesn't know it all?

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

nobody writes:

No.

If drinking and driving isn't addiction, what is? Risking your life
just to take a recreational drug sounds like quite an obsession to me.

It's clear that you don't understand addiction at all. There is ample
information available on the web that you should be able to enlighten
yourself about addiction without too much difficulty.

There are *many* reasons why flying after even a single drink is not
equivalent to driving under the same conditions. I know of no one of the
hundreds of members in our flying club who will fly after a drink.

There is also a reason why no DUI laws begin at 0.001%. Apparently, you
don't understand any of those reasons, either.

Neil

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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nobody writes:

Drinking and driving is different than being cited for drinking and
driving.

You can't be cited for it unless you're doing it.

That does not prove the corollary.

(Sorry, if that's too complex for you to under stand, it means that you can
drink and drive without being cited)

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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nobody writes:

No.

If drinking and driving isn't addiction, what is?

Living in a dumpster because you spent your rent money on drugs, and you're
too high to coordinate a robbery for your next fix.

Risking your life just to take a recreational drug sounds like quite an
obsession to me.

We were discussing addictions, not obsessions.

Short Term memory issues too?

Maxwell writes:

Why do you always sound like you have been drinking and deriving.

Deriving what?

Neil Gould writes:

It's clear that you don't understand addiction at all. There is ample
information available on the web that you should be able to enlighten
yourself about addiction without too much difficulty.

There's also plenty of information on the Web indicating why it's stupid to
take drugs and operate vehicles at the same time.

There are *many* reasons why flying after even a single drink is not
equivalent to driving under the same conditions. I know of no one of the
hundreds of members in our flying club who will fly after a drink.

And they are willing to drive after drinking?

There is also a reason why no DUI laws begin at 0.001%.

Some do. They are called zero-tolerance laws, and are based on the premise
that no impairment is small enough to be acceptable impairment.

nobody writes:

Living in a dumpster because you spent your rent money on drugs, and you're
too high to coordinate a robbery for your next fix.

I know people who spend several hundred dollars a month on cigarettes and/or
alcohol. Are they addicted? I know people who can't go an hour without a
cigarette or a day without alcohol. Are they addicted?

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

Mental or physical pain during withdrawal to the point that you can't
lead a normal life without regularly taking the drug.

What causes mental pain?

An obsession is not addiction. Anyhow, there's little obsession
involved. The majority of people who drive their car after having had a
small glass of beer think nothing of it, especially not that they're
risking their lives. The fact that you might think differently is
irrelevant to them.

The fact that some of them die in consequence doesn't seem to be relevant to
you, either.

John Mazor writes:

If it is habitual and not a rare event, then yes, but you
didn't specify that.

Is daily consumption of alcohol habitual?