MythBusters airplane on a conveyor belt

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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"Robert Barker" wrote:
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. On Jan 30, 2:36 pm, Peter Clark
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For those interested in such things, the MythBusters show titled
"Airplane on a Conveyor Belt" is in TVGuide to air tonight at 9pm
Eastern US on Discovery/Discovery HD.

Any pilot (including the one that flew the plane on the show) and
believed they'd stand "like a brick" should fear their next BFR.

Why?

His conceptual confusion is obviously not uncommon or entirely without
cause - after all, consider the case of landing on that same treadmill and
applying the brakes. What do you think happens? Is it immediately obvious,
or do you have to spend some time thinking about it to get the resulting
motion correct?

No, I can perhaps understand the misconception in non-pilots. But for a
pilot not to understand tells me he slept through a lot of his ground
school...

ManhattanMan,

Myth busted,


What myth? gd&r

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Jan 30, 10:44*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:36*pm, Peter Clark
wrote:
For those interested in such things, the MythBusters show titled
"Airplane on a Conveyor Belt" is in TVGuide to air tonight at 9pm
Eastern US on Discovery/Discovery HD.

Crap, I missed it. *I predicted that it would take off just find.

No you didn't. Discovery repeats its MythBusters episodes several times a
week. Check your TV schedule.

Yeah you're right Jim. I caught a re-run yesterday.

Wil

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"Robert Barker" wrote:
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. . On Jan 30, 2:36 pm, Peter Clark
wrote:
For those interested in such things, the MythBusters show titled
"Airplane on a Conveyor Belt" is in TVGuide to air tonight at 9pm
Eastern US on Discovery/Discovery HD.

Any pilot (including the one that flew the plane on the show) and
believed they'd stand "like a brick" should fear their next BFR.

Why?

His conceptual confusion is obviously not uncommon or entirely without
cause - after all, consider the case of landing on that same treadmill
and applying the brakes. What do you think happens?

You're going to end up on your back!


Bertie

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.. . On Jan 30, 2:36 pm, Peter Clark
wrote:
For those interested in such things, the MythBusters show titled
"Airplane on a Conveyor Belt" is in TVGuide to air tonight at 9pm
Eastern US on Discovery/Discovery HD.

Any pilot (including the one that flew the plane on the show) and
believed they'd stand "like a brick" should fear their next BFR.

Why?

His conceptual confusion is obviously not uncommon or entirely
without cause - after all, consider the case of landing on that same
treadmill and applying the brakes. What do you think happens? Is it
immediately obvious, or do you have to spend some time thinking about
it to get the resulting motion correct?

No, I can perhaps understand the misconception in non-pilots. But for
a pilot not to understand tells me he slept through a lot of his
ground school...

I know an ex RAF airline pilot who thinks that a crosswind in the cruise
causes yaw problems.


No ****..

Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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ManhattanMan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message news:f92dnR-

I'll bet the Australians use something even better than either of
us :-))
Their conveyor belts go in the opposite direction.

-c
aiee, I need a vacation.


..and their airplanes fly upside down too :-))

They'd say you're entitled to your point of view....



It IS amazing when one stops to actually visualize it; the round globe;
the other side of it; and flying in the same sky upside down relative to
each other but right side up relative to the individual localities.
It's of course obvious to us in the macro sense, but when you REALLY get
down to the micro visualization of it all................ :-))))




Bucky Fuller amy have said it best when he said that up and down are
completely innacurate. The correct terms for a pilot should be in and out..

I think he was talking about flying, anyway..


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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ManhattanMan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message news:f92dnR-

I'll bet the Australians use something even better than either of
us :-))
Their conveyor belts go in the opposite direction.

-c
aiee, I need a vacation.


..and their airplanes fly upside down too :-))
They'd say you're entitled to your point of view....


It IS amazing when one stops to actually visualize it; the round globe;
the other side of it; and flying in the same sky upside down relative to
each other but right side up relative to the individual localities.
It's of course obvious to us in the macro sense, but when you REALLY get
down to the micro visualization of it all................ :-))))




Bucky Fuller amy have said it best when he said that up and down are
completely innacurate. The correct terms for a pilot should be in and out..

I think he was talking about flying, anyway..


Bertie
You run into this when you start explaining left and right vs inside and
top or outside rudder when dealing with slow rolls :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

ManhattanMan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:f92dnR-

I'll bet the Australians use something even better than either
of us :-))
Their conveyor belts go in the opposite direction.

-c
aiee, I need a vacation.


..and their airplanes fly upside down too :-))
They'd say you're entitled to your point of view....


It IS amazing when one stops to actually visualize it; the round
globe; the other side of it; and flying in the same sky upside down
relative to each other but right side up relative to the individual
localities. It's of course obvious to us in the macro sense, but
when you REALLY get down to the micro visualization of it
all................ :-))))




Bucky Fuller amy have said it best when he said that up and down are
completely innacurate. The correct terms for a pilot should be in and
out..

I think he was talking about flying, anyway..


Bertie
You run into this when you start explaining left and right vs inside
and top or outside rudder when dealing with slow rolls :-)


Yes, I've been doing that with one of my current students in
anticipation of the arrival of the airplane,
Or rather, he's been reading a lot and asking me questions about how you
know which way to twist the controls inverted. I just told him it's
easier to see when your head is upside down! For inverted flight, you
push the stick as normal for the direction of roll without concerning
yourself with L/R labels. and the rudder just goes in the dirction you
want the nose to go. Simple. For rolls, it's the same with the addition
of top/bottom rudder for the knife edge transition.. Sound reasonable?

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
consider the case of landing on that same treadmill
and applying the brakes. What do you think happens?

You're going to end up on your back!

Yeah - if the pilot doesn't correct for the treadmill motion and uses the
usual brake pressure it could nose over. Relative to the wheels it "looks"
like a fast landing.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

ManhattanMan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:f92dnR-

I'll bet the Australians use something even better than either
of us :-))
Their conveyor belts go in the opposite direction.

-c
aiee, I need a vacation.


..and their airplanes fly upside down too :-))
They'd say you're entitled to your point of view....


It IS amazing when one stops to actually visualize it; the round
globe; the other side of it; and flying in the same sky upside down
relative to each other but right side up relative to the individual
localities. It's of course obvious to us in the macro sense, but
when you REALLY get down to the micro visualization of it
all................ :-))))



Bucky Fuller amy have said it best when he said that up and down are
completely innacurate. The correct terms for a pilot should be in and
out..

I think he was talking about flying, anyway..


Bertie
You run into this when you start explaining left and right vs inside
and top or outside rudder when dealing with slow rolls :-)


Yes, I've been doing that with one of my current students in
anticipation of the arrival of the airplane,
Or rather, he's been reading a lot and asking me questions about how you
know which way to twist the controls inverted. I just told him it's
easier to see when your head is upside down! For inverted flight, you
push the stick as normal for the direction of roll without concerning
yourself with L/R labels. and the rudder just goes in the dirction you
want the nose to go. Simple. For rolls, it's the same with the addition
of top/bottom rudder for the knife edge transition.. Sound reasonable?

Bertie
Sounds good. Perspective in aerobatics inverted can be REAL confusing to
newbies. The one that I always found fascinating is the different
perspective in inverted spins as seen from the pilot's and ground
witness perspective. To the pilot the inverted spin will be left, but
when seen from the ground, the inverted spin appears to be to the right
:-))
This drove the judges nuts on the international aerobatic competition
circuit until a pilot being judged for an inverted spin one way realized
he has spun the other way and corrected the judge :-))

--
Dudley Henriques