Getting confused with ATC order...Violation?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Nomen Nescio writes:

You've never done a readback in your life, Dip****.

I've done endless readbacks on VATSIM, and they are just like the real
thing. I know more about ATC than many VFR private pilots know.


You don't know **** about real ATC, you simulator moron.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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BT writes:

excellent.. more advice from a simulator operator..

Which part do you disagree with?

Do you think VFR pilots should not read back instructions from ATC?

Do you think VFR pilots should fly what ATC wants instead of what they
heard in ATC's instructions? If so, how are they to know what ATC
really wants if they misheard the instructions and they don't read
them back, or if they read them back and ATC fails to correct them?
How do you do that?


Wow, you really don't know **** about flying. What a moron you are.

On Apr 4, 11:15 am, Larry Dighera wrote:

To be more accurate, I should have said, "Technically, ATC has no
jurisdiction to "victor" VFR aircraft operating within Class E
airspace unless they are within a Class C outer area." Is that
consistent with your view of the regulations/orders?


TRSAs too.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes:

The Pilot In Command is solely responsible for operation of his
flight. The change was questioned at the time it was implemented.
There is little question in my mind that the FAA seeks to minimize
their liability exposure.

It sounds grossly unfair.

Real life is unfair.

Grow up and get over yourself.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT), "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

On Apr 4, 11:15 am, Larry Dighera wrote:

To be more accurate, I should have said, "Technically, ATC has no
jurisdiction to "victor" VFR aircraft operating within Class E
airspace unless they are within a Class C outer area." Is that
consistent with your view of the regulations/orders?


TRSAs too.

Thanks.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Nomen Nescio writes:

You've never done a readback in your life, Dip****.

I've done endless readbacks on VATSIM, and they are just like the real thing.

Other than you don't have airplanes, big birds, loose balloons and other
assorted objects appearing out of nowhere, the aircraft isn't bouncing
around in turbulance while you try to maintain attitude and altitude,
there are no other people in the aircraft trying to talk to you,
there is a pause button so you can take a leak anytime you need to,
and there are no real world consequences to any of your actions, it is
just like the real thing.


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Jim Pennino

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"Mike Gilmour" wrote:
"Private" wrote in message
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Difference between ATC and pilot.
When a pilot makes a mistake the pilot dies.
When ATC makes a mistake the pilot dies.

Happy landings,



Excepting ATC Peter Nielsen who was murdered for his mistake...

A very sad case, in which the controller's instructions appear to have been
but one link in a chain of events and mistakes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashkir...es_Flight_2937

It isn't clear that the controller issued mistaken instructions per se. He
obviously didn't anticipate that flight 611 would also descend in response
to its TCAS alerts.

writes:

Other than you don't have airplanes, big birds, loose balloons and other
assorted objects appearing out of nowhere, the aircraft isn't bouncing
around in turbulance while you try to maintain attitude and altitude,
there are no other people in the aircraft trying to talk to you,
there is a pause button so you can take a leak anytime you need to,
and there are no real world consequences to any of your actions, it is
just like the real thing.

Most of these things have no influence on ATC communication.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

Other than you don't have airplanes, big birds, loose balloons and other
assorted objects appearing out of nowhere, the aircraft isn't bouncing
around in turbulance while you try to maintain attitude and altitude,
there are no other people in the aircraft trying to talk to you,
there is a pause button so you can take a leak anytime you need to,
and there are no real world consequences to any of your actions, it is
just like the real thing.

Most of these things have no influence on ATC communication.


Ignoramus. You have absolutely no idea of what it is like to fly a real
airplane. All you do is play with MSFS while stroking yourself.

RubberWatch wrote:
Hello-

I am a student pilot. I was out flying solo today and was instructed
by ATC to fly a heading of 210. I thought he said 110 and I flew on
that heading. He then told me it looks like your going the wrong
direction i need you to fly 210. I got a bit locked up and said 210.
I ended up on 210 but I really kinda got "mike fright".

Anyway, I just wanted to know if this would constitute a violation and
if I might receive something in the mail, etc? He later told me to
"resume own navigaion" and I did not know what that meant...I asked
him if I could do my airwork and he said resume on navigation meant I
can do anything I want.

He did not ask me to call a land line or anything like that, though
when I requested to change to my CTAF as I had the airport in site, he
said frequency change approved and squalk VFR when I am on the ground.

Any thoughts?

Yes, forget about it and keep on flying. Oh, talk with your instructor
and fine out what "resume own navigation" means! :-)

I suppose it is technically a violation, but if every pilot was written
up for every mistake of this magnitude and every controller fired for
such mistakes ... the skies would be empty.

It pretty much means what it says. It means you are no longer receiving
navigation assistance (vectors) from the controller so you can fly
whatever heading suits your fancy and change it as often as you choose.

Matt