Airspeed of military planes

"Darrell" wrote in message
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If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed
higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast. In the B-58 Hustler,
after
takeoff we came out of afterburners at 350 KIAS and climbed at 425 KIAS
until reaching Mach .90 for climb speed. That's why other aircraft try
to
stay clear of military climb corridors. We flew low level routes at 435
KIAS except for the high speed portion where we flew at 600 KIAS. (and
that's back in the 1960s)


I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:38:18 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

And, even then they were almost exclusively related to active air
defense scrambles. I entered military aviation in 1964 and operated
until 1987 and never, not even once flew a tactical jet in a "military
climb corridor."

We flew published departure routes, later we flew SIDs, we flew
published approaches, we operated in special use airspace including
restricted areas and MOAs, we operated along low level routes, etc.

We went fast a lot, too.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

There was a climb corridor out of Mt. Home well into the 80's. Don't
know if it still exists. I seem to recall it being south-westerly, but the
eyesight is the first to go, and I can't remember what the second thing was...

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
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There was a climb corridor out of Mt. Home well into the 80's.


I have Salt Lake City sectionals from 1969, 1972, and 1987, none of them
show a climb corridor at Mountain Home AFB. Nor does the current chart,
which can be viewed online at:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R10722D27

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote

There was a climb corridor out of Mt. Home well into the 80's.


I have Salt Lake City sectionals from 1969, 1972, and 1987, none of them
show a climb corridor at Mountain Home AFB. Nor does the current chart,
which can be viewed online at:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R10722D27

I'm not sure what map it was. Do you have any highs and lows from
back then?

"Darrell" wrote in message news:5vBQb.65145

If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed
higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast.

Same applies to civil craft. Loaded 747 would climb at about 273. We would
just advise ATC of climb speed. Were you required/requested to do that?

JG

John Gaquin wrote, "... Loaded 747 would climb at about 273. ..."

Makes it all the more amazing that they seem to be standing still while
climbing out!

Bingo, the first fully explained and correct answer. Thanks Darrell.

I'm surprised the Hustler flew so slow low level. I just always assumed
since it was such a hotass machine that it flew faster. We planned/flew the
Bone at 560 KTAS/.8Mach.

For the original poster, the B-1B, for example, flies downwind in the
pattern at 270 KIAS. That's the top of the range (IIRC) given in the "Dash
One" and is what we always flew while I was flying from '86-'97.

Cheers,

JB

"Darrell" wrote in message
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If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed
higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast. In the B-58 Hustler,
after
takeoff we came out of afterburners at 350 KIAS and climbed at 425 KIAS
until reaching Mach .90 for climb speed. That's why other aircraft try
to
stay clear of military climb corridors. We flew low level routes at 435
KIAS except for the high speed portion where we flew at 600 KIAS. (and
that's back in the 1960s)

--

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
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Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much
fast
among civilian planes.

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.



So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know.

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.



So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know.