Why not use the F-22 to replace the F/A-18 and F-14?

R. David Steele wrote:

I am not a fan of idea of taking an airliner design and making it
a cargo plane.

For the vast majority of the air freight business, airliner designs work
very well indeed. Very few users need the short-field or oversized cargo
capacity of a BC-17X. A 747-400 Freighter carries more cargo, cheaper, than
a military-derived cargo plane; Boeing only offers the BC-17X for a very
specific (small) niche market.

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R. David Steele wrote:
Remember that we are planning for a war with China by the end of
the decade.


Are you planning to fight them all yourself or do
you have a couple of buddies lined up to help ?

Keith

Ok, ok!!!

Not everyone keeps up with various policies and DoD planning.
the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen Myers, was picked
to plan for this potential war.

Actually, you're the one who seems out of touch. The Joint Staff plans for
all sorts of wars all the time. But Presidents don't pick Chairmen of the
JCS to plan any particular wars. Indeed, the Chairman's job is mostly to
supervise current ops; the Staff does long-term planning regardless of who
is in charge.

China has let it be known, there
are a number of papers coming out of their post graduate officers
school, that they plan to challenge us for control of the far
east. That means control over India, most of SE Asia (down to
Australia), Japan, the Philippines and Siberia.

China's policy appears to be primarily focussed on ensuring that no one else
interfrres with their own territory.

Also China has sent it agents off its soil as it never has in
5000 years. They now run the Panama Canal. Have bases all
throughout the Caribbean. Now own a port (former naval base) in
San Diego. And they have extensive operations all throughout
North Africa.

Oh, good grief. China has commercial intereasts worldwide, yes. But
there's no evidence that running port operations in Panama (NOT running the
Canal proper, BTW) translates into any sort of aggressive intent. INdeed,
the company that runs those ops is a Hong Kong-based multinational, not
controlled by the Chinese government as the fearmongers would have you
believe.


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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:08:27 GMT, R. David Steele
wrote:

I am not a fan of idea of taking an airliner design and making it
a cargo plane.

Virtually every civilian cargo aircraft is exactly that.

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"R. David Steele" wrote in message
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| | The F-35 has a chance of being more successful than the F-22 based
|solely on
| | it being post '96 Ada
| |
| |Ada-95. Like a lot of the F-22 software, which got recoded because it
| |was easier to support. Which is why a good part of the F-35 software
is
| |based on the F-22 software...
|
| I thought that we had moved beyond ADA?
|
|How?

Had we not stopped programming in ADA? C++ or something has
replaced it? Good lord, ADA is like PL1.

The Ada-95 release does not cause older software to be made good.

After the Boeing takeover - it would have been the B-17

Jack


"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Ron" wrote in message
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This has been mooted, either as is or in a civil variant, at various
times. For some of the issues involved you might wish to read "C-17
-- How to Get More for Less":

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA357811

It's about 2 meg.

And not a new idea, either. I was leafing through the FAA Type
Dertificate Data Sheets one day, and discovered that the Lockheed
C-141 had been certificated for civilian use.


McD had been marketing the civil C-17 as the MD-17.

With Long Beach's antics of last year, the name Douglas will never be on
another civilian airplane.

Do I hear the sounds of black helicopters in your post?

--
Mike Kanze

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won't take an interest in you."

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"R. David Steele" wrote in message
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| | Remember that we are planning for a war with China by the end of
| | the decade.
| |
|
|Are you planning to fight them all yourself or do
|you have a couple of buddies lined up to help ?
|
|Keith

Ok, ok!!!

Not everyone keeps up with various policies and DoD planning.
the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen Myers, was picked
to plan for this potential war. China has let it be known, there
are a number of papers coming out of their post graduate officers
school, that they plan to challenge us for control of the far
east. That means control over India, most of SE Asia (down to
Australia), Japan, the Philippines and Siberia.

Also China has sent it agents off its soil as it never has in
5000 years. They now run the Panama Canal. Have bases all
throughout the Caribbean. Now own a port (former naval base) in
San Diego. And they have extensive operations all throughout
North Africa.

It is going to be interesting starting somewhere between 2008 and
2012.

In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

The Ada-95 release does not cause older software to be made good.

But the newer compilers and other software tools they've developed
*can*. Which is why a lot of that F-35 code you're so happy about is
just modified Ada code from the F-22 suite - and why a good chunk of the
F-22 code is Ada-95 (newer and better development tools make maintaining
the code so much easier it was cost-effective to rewrite it).

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Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"R. David Steele" wrote in message
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The FB-22 would replace the Air Force's F-15E and take
over some missions for long-range bombers such as the B-2 and
B-1. The initial design envisioned a plane that could carry 24
Small Diameter Bombs, which weigh only 250 pounds. Using Global
Positioning System guidance, the small bomb would be as lethal as
a 2,000-pound bomb.

No sir , GPS guidance systems are already available for
2000lb bombs

Depends on what that SDB is aimed at. A 250lb rock is just as lethal for a
tank as a 2000lb bomb would be.

8 x 250lb bombs would be (assuming they all hit their targets) more lethal
for an enemy tank company than one 2000lb bomb.

Pete

"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message
news:5Ob_b.4176

A 747-400 Freighter carries more cargo, cheaper, than
a military-derived cargo plane

The obvious question is why doesn't the military use them and give the
taxpayers a break

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

The Ada-95 release does not cause older software to be made good.

But the newer compilers and other software tools they've developed
*can*.

Perhaps, but i have yet to see a compiler upgrade work without altering the
sofware.

Wch is why a lot of that F-35 code you're so happy about is
just modified Ada code from the F-22 suite - and why a good chunk of the
F-22 code is Ada-95 (newer and better development tools make maintaining
the code so much easier it was cost-effective to rewrite it).

Let me clue you, the F-35 is tabbed to the Eurofighter. Are you aware of
BAE Systems?