Airplanes and Brakes?

"Blanche" wrote in message
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In article , Mick @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
[snip]
Sure, jump on the band wagon Dumley.

So brakes were no put on aircraft to stop them. You're both full of it.

Ah, another troll with no factual evidence, who hides behind anonimity.



Well, who in the hell is Blanche?

What factual evidence? You want me to prove brakes were not put and airplane
to stop them?

On Sep 16, 10:05*am, a wrote:
On Sep 16, 9:59*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:



On Sep 16, 8:38*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

you know that I posted a comment along this exact line of thought
about a month ago I got bagged by nearly everyone for over a week.
I'm still correct in what I wrote and you evidently are in agreement.

On Sep 16, 10:08*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

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On Sep 16, 8:38 am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:



"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message

.. .

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

you know that I posted a comment along this exact line of thought
about a month ago I got bagged by nearly everyone for over a week.
I'm still correct in what I wrote and you evidently are in agreement.

:-)
Stealth Pilot

No, it just mean you are both wrong.

Don't think so.

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Sure, jump on the band wagon Dumley.

So brakes were no put on aircraft to stop them. You're both full of it.

Well Hello Maxie! Nothing but the usual I see :-))

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Sep 15, 4:47 pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
I've been in a couple of planes where without the brakes the thing
accelerates too much. The F-16 comes to mind, where without intermittent
braking it picks up too much speed, and braking on landing is pretty much
SOP.

My Baron needs occasional braking on taxi, otherwise below around 1000rpm
the oil pressure drops too low. My friend's turbine Bonanza needs to use
beta during taxi or the brakes to keep from picking up too much speed.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 2:44 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

I'm deligthted to see I'm managing to get some arguments and
discussion going. And if you notice, No Profanity?
I challenge my students to learn to taxi without brakes. and I come
down hard if they beat up the airplane with unecessary braking instead
of staying ahead of the airplane. (sometimes even with profanity! Can
you imagine that?)
How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?
Ol S&B

I agree completely, (and without cussing :-)

I see you are naturally getting replies from the Grumman and Cherokee
folks :-) But your point is well made. The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

Had the chance to fly the Viper a few times. Didn't notice any
excessive increase in taxi speed that very light braking couldn't
handle. Did use them a bit being late with throttle reduction after a
start from a standing position until I got used to the response :-)
Landing the Viper for me anyway was a conglomeration of a lot of
things happening at once. Assuming no drag chute deployment, keeping
the nose up to 13 degrees AOA gave good aerodynamic braking down to
about 80kts. At 80 kts you could fly the nosewheel down to the runway
with good control. If I remember right, the speedbrake was restricted
to around 43 degrees with the airplane dirty and this was in play
through touchdown and until the nose was on the runway, then hitting
the SB slider again extended the boards out to full at 60 degrees.

I didn't notice anything that required excessive brake use through
roll out. In fact, I never flew the Viper with heavy externals but the
word was that landing hot and using the brakes could get you sent over
to the hot brake area to sit and sweat your butt off over there in the
sun :-))
DH

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Shame you got thrown off Wikipedia, you would have to keep retyping this
**** every time you feel insecure.

On Sep 16, 10:21*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message

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In article , Mick @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
[snip]
Sure, jump on the band wagon Dumley.

So brakes were no put on aircraft to stop them. You're both full of it.

Ah, another troll with no factual evidence, who hides behind anonimity.

Well, who in the hell is Blanche?

What factual evidence? You want me to prove brakes were not put and airplane
to stop them?

I believe the conversation (at least excluding you that is :-) has
more to do with when brakes should be used rather than the obvious
observation that they actually exist and what they are designed to do.
I have a gun. I know that gun can kill someone; that's obvious! What
isn't so obvious is how, when, and where it's right or wrong to use
that gun.

On Sep 16, 10:09*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

news:53aa3f73-4961-4564-8c51-

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

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Nonsense, you're talking out of both sides of you're mouth as usual.

No surprise.

You really "work" on this little hate thing day and night don't you
Maxie? :-)))

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 10:21 am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message

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In article , Mick @_#`~#@.^net
wrote:
[snip]
Sure, jump on the band wagon Dumley.

So brakes were no put on aircraft to stop them. You're both full of it.

Ah, another troll with no factual evidence, who hides behind anonimity.

Well, who in the hell is Blanche?

What factual evidence? You want me to prove brakes were not put and
airplane
to stop them?

I believe the conversation (at least excluding you that is :-) has
more to do with when brakes should be used rather than the obvious
observation that they actually exist and what they are designed to do.
I have a gun. I know that gun can kill someone; that's obvious! What
isn't so obvious is how, when, and where it's right or wrong to use
that gun.

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Yes and you are "over beating it" as usual. I guess if you can't dazzlem
with brilliance, you can always bafflem with bull****, eh Dudley?

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 10:09 am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

news:53aa3f73-4961-4564-8c51-

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

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Nonsense, you're talking out of both sides of you're mouth as usual.

No surprise.

You really "work" on this little hate thing day and night don't you
Maxie? :-)))

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I don't hate anyone.

I just like to acknowledge your own special flavor of ignorance, you do it
so well.

On Sep 16, 10:40*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 4:47 pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:



I've been in a couple of planes where without the brakes the thing
accelerates too much. The F-16 comes to mind, where without intermittent
braking it picks up too much speed, and braking on landing is pretty much
SOP.

My Baron needs occasional braking on taxi, otherwise below around 1000rpm
the oil pressure drops too low. My friend's turbine Bonanza needs to use
beta during taxi or the brakes to keep from picking up too much speed.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 2:44 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

I'm deligthted to see I'm managing to get some arguments and
discussion going. And if you notice, No Profanity?
I challenge my students to learn to taxi without brakes. and I come
down hard if they beat up the airplane with unecessary braking instead
of staying ahead of the airplane. (sometimes even with profanity! Can
you imagine that?)
How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?
Ol S&B

I agree completely, (and without cussing :-)

I see you are naturally getting replies from the Grumman and Cherokee
folks :-) But your point is well made. The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

Had the chance to fly the Viper a few times. Didn't notice any
excessive increase in taxi speed that very light braking couldn't
handle. Did use them a bit being late with throttle reduction after a
start from a standing position until I got used to the response :-)
Landing the Viper for me anyway was a conglomeration of a lot of
things happening at once. Assuming no drag chute deployment, keeping
the nose up to 13 degrees AOA gave good aerodynamic braking down to
about 80kts. At 80 kts you could fly the nosewheel down to the runway
with good control. If I remember right, the speedbrake was restricted
to around 43 degrees with the airplane dirty and this was *in play
through touchdown and until the nose was on the runway, then hitting
the SB slider again extended the boards out to full at 60 degrees.

I didn't notice anything that required excessive brake use through
roll out. In fact, I never flew the Viper with heavy externals but the
word was that landing hot and using the brakes could get you sent over
to the hot brake area to sit and sweat your butt off over there in the
sun :-))
DH

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Shame you got thrown off Wikipedia, you would have to keep retyping this
**** every time you feel insecure.

I'll be sure to do that for you Maxie.

Actually, what REALLY assuages my ego and sense of superiority is when
I read your posts and see in every one of them the VAST differences on
every conceivable level between the two of us. :-)))))

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:24ebb918-0868-4d39-aefe-

Actually, what REALLY assuages my ego and sense of superiority is when
I read your posts and see in every one of them the VAST differences on
every conceivable level between the two of us. :-)))))

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Nonsense, every reply massages your ego. That's the only reason "has beens"
like you are here.

You're not interest in promoting aviation, you're just interested in
promoting yourself.