GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Morton Davis" wrote:


"Chas" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote
It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with.

It's the central tenet of the religion; Submit & Recite.
And we're not the only ones they hate. They're at war in China, India,
SEAsia, Indonesia, the Filipines, East Africa, North Africa, all
through
the
former SovUn.

Don't forget Thailand.

-*MORT*-

Don't forget anyone, anywhere, who isn't Muslim (and isn't dead).

Quite the holy religion you got there bub, yessiree bob.
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Applies to many religions, Gord, possibly sans bullets.
Picture in your mind this particular heathen about seventy feet
up on the side of a certain edifice in Salt Lake City, UT
cutting grout with a fairly hefty electric saw when the guide
escorting the visitors in the park below tells his group,
"We believe that anyone who has not accepted the ******
faith is not worth a damn." (exact words)
Probably a good thing that that saw was tied off at the end
of a 15 foot power cord!

JK

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Pooched wrote:

America DESERVES 9/11. America DESERVES another terrorist attack. I
was thrilled on 9/11 (apologies to the victims and their families).

You can have one or the other, not both.

In short, your apology is worth less than nothing.

It's only a matter of time before someone else gets fed up with
Amerika and attacks us again.

FOAD

The only solution to this problem is
diplomacy. America COULD resolve the differences with the Muslims.

Only two options would work to their satisfaction:

1) *All* of us convert to Islam.
2) Alternatively, we all die.

Neither will happen.

Steve Hix wrote:
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"Simon Robbins"
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"Bystander"
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At least America is dealing with it, and
has admitted it. Many countries
that use torture would never dream of allowing
these reports.

It's been reported in the UK that the Pentagon's
spent the last two weeks
trying to prevent the public disclosure of
these photos by the American
media, and apparently succeeded considering
they're only showing them now
since they leaked out from elsewhere.

Did you fail to note that, in addition, they've
been investigating the
issue with the goal of punishing the guilty?
That is something the loony left doesn't understand. Most militaries would
never bother investigating the allegations; the U.S. and Britain do, and
when facts justify, prosecute in the Military Justice System those accused.
Let the JAG and CID folks do their jobs, and see if anyone is reccommended
for a Court-Martial.

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"The Todal" wrote in message ...


"Bystander" wrote in message
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"= Vox Populi ©" wrote in message (snipped):


Six U.S. troops charged with Iraq torture


I have seen the photos and they are appalling.

The treatment of prisoners is utterly indefensible.

At least America is dealing with it, and has admitted it. Many countries
that use torture would never dream of allowing these reports.


Well, perhaps it would be more accurate to say: now that it's in the public
domain the PR people in the White House and the Pentagon can see that it is
indefensible and they are duly blaming it all on renegade troops or (better
still) outside contractors. Meanwhile, all the other torture will not be
admitted until it has been discovered.



This incident was being investigated before it came out in the news.
The first news reports I saw of this (I think CBS was the network that
"broke" the story) said that dicipline was already being handed out to
those directly involved and to several officers, including a general,
in the responsible command.

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.


US military has a long tradition of being one of the least tolerant of
all military organizations of crimes committed by its personel and I am
proud of this tradtion.

However it is disturbing that for the first time:

1. The US government is actively keeping all disciplinary action secret,
and "bribing" most reporters with embedded positions to report only what
they want reported. So unless a reporter with less access than the
"embedded" reporters somehow manages to get access to the information,
the US government pretends like it doesn't happen and then suddenly
pretends they are shocked.

2. The US government allowed a civilian contractor who raped an Iraqi
prisoner to go free : The Military justifiably claims it has no
jurisdiction, but the US government, which rules Iraq, should have
stepped up to the plate and arrested the constractor under Iraqi law (I
am sure rape is illegal even in Iraq) and thrown him in an Iraqi jail to
face trail for rape in front of an Iraqi Judge. I doubt they are
allowing Iraqis civilians guilty of rape to escape punishment just
because they are not subject to US Court Martial.

Curtis CCR wrote:

"The Todal" wrote in message
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"Bystander" wrote in message
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"= Vox Populi ©" wrote in message (snipped):
Six U.S. troops charged with Iraq torture

I have seen the photos and they are appalling.

The treatment of prisoners is utterly indefensible.

At least America is dealing with it, and has admitted it. Many
countries that use torture would never dream of allowing these reports.

Well, perhaps it would be more accurate to say: now that it's in the
public domain the PR people in the White House and the Pentagon can see
that it is indefensible and they are duly blaming it all on renegade
troops or (better
still) outside contractors. Meanwhile, all the other torture will not be
admitted until it has been discovered.

This incident was being investigated before it came out in the news.
The first news reports I saw of this (I think CBS was the network that
"broke" the story) said that dicipline was already being handed out to
those directly involved and to several officers, including a general,
in the responsible command.

Those were at the Abu Grhaib prison. So far I've not heard that those who
took the photos were arrested.

Here's a revisionist thought: What if the photos were taken by the Iraqis
themselves for propaganda purposes?

BTW, if the photos were taken by American soldiers I expect to see
courts-martial for them, and nice long prison sentences - with Iraqi
guards!

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Bama Brian
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"Scott" wrote in message ...
"joe parkin" wrote in message
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The document purporting to show that Saddam was trying to obtain uranium
from Nigeria came from the US - presumably the CIA. It was full of
elementary blunders - an easily detected forgery.

They (a colleciton of documents, not just one) weren't written
by the CIA. They were written by an employee of the Embassy of
Niger in Italy who sold them to the Itallian government who
turned them ofer to the British Government who turned them
over to the US Government and I have never heard that any-
one in any intelligence agency ever thought there even a
remote chance that they were genuine.

Which kinda makes you wonder why the US government turned them
over to the IAEA. Persons within US intelligence who actually
were familiar wiht them HAD to know the IAEA would realize
they were false. One wonders if there are persons in US
intelligence who wanted the truth to come out.

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