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L Smith wrote: Reading this suggests that you are making the assumption that the suicide bombers come from the down-trodden, hopeless members of Islamic society. I've seen several reports recently, though, that challenge this idea. I don't have any citations handy, but from what I remember it's the more affluent segment of the society that's providing the zealots. From what I've read, it's the affluent segment that's providing the money. The lower classes still provide the bombers. The surviving family of a bomber then moves into the middle class. George Patterson Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting". |
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Jay Honeck wrote: Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! It certainly was! George Patterson Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting". |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:05:14 +0000, Jay Honeck wrote:
Religions must be pragmatic to a certain degree or they will cease to exist -- and their leaders know it. You see, that's my point. Why bother to go through the charade of being pius if you're going to ignore what the scripture says anyhow? Doesn't that make it a bit hard to stomach? I mean, it's like getting married and continuing to sleep with other women, I mean why even bother getting married if you're not going to abide by the covenant? That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever happened. |
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"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message I mean, it's like getting married and continuing to sleep with other women, I mean why even bother getting married if you're not going to abide by the covenant? You are defining marriage by a religiously determined set of rules. Different marriages, under different or possibly no religion, may have different customs. Same applies to non marriage related behaviors. Each individual's belief system should be a private matter. When "church" officials begin to interpret then demand compliance and the government supports this is when things get messy. |
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That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever happened. Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the laws of the church differently. For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American "Catholic" women admit to using birth control. Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" thing around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even thought they know about the transgressors. Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you want to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a "Catholic". It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized religion. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"More and more people are leaving the Church and going back to God."
(Lenny Bruce) Jim "Jay Honeck" shared these priceless pearls of wisdom: - -It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized -religion. Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor http://www.rst-engr.com |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:38:47 -0600, "Matthew P. Cummings"
wrote: That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever happened. As with so many other things, I have to say that that's a real issue, but it isn't with my own church. Rob |
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"Peter Gottlieb" writes:
"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message I mean, it's like getting married and continuing to sleep with other women, I mean why even bother getting married if you're not going to abide by the covenant? You are defining marriage by a religiously determined set of rules. And rules specific to one religion, and not even all branches of that (remember the Mormons). Different marriages, under different or possibly no religion, may have different customs. Same applies to non marriage related behaviors. Each individual's belief system should be a private matter. When "church" officials begin to interpret then demand compliance and the government supports this is when things get messy. Yep. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: noguns-nomoney.com www.dd-b.net/carry/ Photos: dd-b.lighthunters.net Snapshots: www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: dragaera.info/ |
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Hey, you lemon sucking puke, we ain't all religion nuts.
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And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion. Instead of bad-mouthing them you should recognize at least that they were not being hypocrites like you feel that all the rest of organized religion. "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:vYPxb.338356$HS4.2896996@attbi_s01... That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever happened. Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the laws of the church differently. For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American "Catholic" women admit to using birth control. Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" thing around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even thought they know about the transgressors. Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you want to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a "Catholic". It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized religion. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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