Student Pilot Gets Five Months In Prison

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Jughugs wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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No, that is pretty well known. It is very hard for drug abusers to
quit, whether the drug is nicotine, alcohol or something else.

Past users are very much more likely to be future users.


Matt

Ok... well let's take your example then.. which is... apples and oranges*.
Should we NOT allow folks who consume nicotine and alcohol to fly? I'm sure
that would desimate over half of the ATP population for sure.

*An ILLEGAL drug user is more likely to quit and stay that way than one of
the LEGAL drug consumers.

Depends *greatly* on the actual drug involved.

The 'recidivism' rate for convicted heroin users -- *after* having
"successfully" completed( detox treatment -- is well in excess of 85%.

On the other hand, Valium abusers -- once the dependency is broken -- have
only about 1:20 odds of becoming 'hooked' again.

Matt Whiting wrote:

Jughugs wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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No, that is pretty well known. It is very hard for drug abusers to
quit, whether the drug is nicotine, alcohol or something else.

Past users are very much more likely to be future users.


Matt



Ok... well let's take your example then.. which is... apples and
oranges*.
Should we NOT allow folks who consume nicotine and alcohol to fly?
I'm sure
that would desimate over half of the ATP population for sure.


If it impairs their flying ability significantly, then yes.


*An ILLEGAL drug user is more likely to quit and stay that way than
one of
the LEGAL drug consumers.


That may be true, but I've seen not data to suggest that. I've seen a
lot of evidence over the years, personally, that drug addicts have a
VERY hard time quitting permanently.


Matt

Tsk tsk, Matt, anyone who would use the word 'desimate'(sic) that way
can't be wrong

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message
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Tsk tsk, Matt, anyone who would use the word 'desimate'(sic) that way
can't be wrong

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Oh not another "internet spelling cop". Spelling was wrong, use was
correct... so sue me.

I remember reading somewhere that flying is a right, and not a legal
privilege, unlike the way we got screwed with driver's licenses.
However, FAA has ignored the Supremes in their methods of implementation.

David


Dude wrote:
What laws are the FAA breaking by asking such questions? Privacy? You
don't have to answer the questions and FAA doesn't have to issue you a
ticket. It's all voluntary.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


This whole "privilege" thing has been taken way too far by our government.
We will see how you feel after they come for your ticket.

AINut wrote:

I remember reading somewhere that flying is a right, and not a legal
privilege, unlike the way we got screwed with driver's licenses.
However, FAA has ignored the Supremes in their methods of implementation.

There must be a reason why pilot certificates are called certificates, not
licenses. Certificates testify to ability. Licenses grant permission.

David

Dude wrote:
What laws are the FAA breaking by asking such questions? Privacy? You
don't have to answer the questions and FAA doesn't have to issue you a
ticket. It's all voluntary.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

This whole "privilege" thing has been taken way too far by our government.
We will see how you feel after they come for your ticket.

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"Jughugs" wrote:

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message
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Tsk tsk, Matt, anyone who would use the word 'desimate'(sic) that way
can't be wrong

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Oh not another "internet spelling cop". Spelling was wrong, use was
correct... so sue me.

Uh, actually, the usage is incorrect, also. The word decimate literally
means to kill one tenth of the total number. It isn't the ones who are
killed who are "decimated," it is the total population, who as a group
are thus reduced by that percentage.

"Smitty" wrote in message
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Uh, actually, the usage is incorrect, also. The word decimate literally
means to kill one tenth of the total number. It isn't the ones who are
killed who are "decimated," it is the total population, who as a group
are thus reduced by that percentage.


Uh, no wonder other countries laugh at our lack of skill with language. So
growing up all through school, you were only taught to use ONE of the
possible meanings? Just a quick look at dictionary.com shows other uses
and gives an example:

"To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust
fund. "

"Jughugs" wrote in message
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Uh, no wonder other countries laugh at our lack of skill with language. So
growing up all through school, you were only taught to use ONE of the
possible meanings? Just a quick look at dictionary.com shows other uses
and gives an example:

"To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust
fund. "

Repeated errors may become common usage - but they're still errors.

Rich S.

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"Jughugs" wrote:

"Smitty" wrote in message
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Uh, actually, the usage is incorrect, also. The word decimate literally
means to kill one tenth of the total number. It isn't the ones who are
killed who are "decimated," it is the total population, who as a group
are thus reduced by that percentage.


Uh, no wonder other countries laugh at our lack of skill with language. So
growing up all through school, you were only taught to use ONE of the
possible meanings? Just a quick look at dictionary.com shows other uses
and gives an example:

"To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust
fund. "

Yes, other countries are laughing at us for a variety of good reasons.
Far from supporting your contention, however, this example only further
illustrates the incorrect usage. It is true that the meaning of the word
has been expanded. But, note that the trust fund *as a whole* has been
decimated. The example does not say, ..."the heir decimated over half of
his trust fund." That would have been decidedly incorrect.

Smitty wrote:
In article ,
"Jughugs" wrote:


"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message
news:Xw1Wd.21177$Sn6.14987@lakeread03...

Tsk tsk, Matt, anyone who would use the word 'desimate'(sic) that way
can't be wrong

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Oh not another "internet spelling cop". Spelling was wrong, use was
correct... so sue me.


Uh, actually, the usage is incorrect, also. The word decimate literally
means to kill one tenth of the total number. It isn't the ones who are
killed who are "decimated," it is the total population, who as a group
are thus reduced by that percentage.

The term comes from a Roman method for discouraging cowardice. If an
attack didn't go well enough the commander could order 1 man of 10 to be
killed by his fellow soldiers. The killing was usually neither pleasant
nor swift. The French used a similar system as late as WW1.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired