AOPA Flight Planner - Microsoft only?

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
gonline.com...

I tried to go to the AOPA Flight Planning web page today, and found that
the
only option remaining is to download a Microsoft-only application. This
seems annoying.


If you are using Linux or Solaris, have you tried running the
application with 'wine' (www.winehq.com)?

I've tried several Windows native applications on Linux and
had no problems, although I've not yet tried the flight planner.

('wine' is a free Windows API emulator that runs on a variety
of other OS)

Tony Cox wrote:
If you are using Linux or Solaris, have you tried running the
application with 'wine' (www.winehq.com)?
I've tried several Windows native applications on Linux and
had no problems, although I've not yet tried the flight planner.
('wine' is a free Windows API emulator that runs on a variety
of other OS)

It seems to only support Solaris X86, not Sparc. And it doesn't seem
to have support for Mac OSX, either. Nevertheless, I downloaded
the source and compiled it on my Sun (sparc), anyway. It's coming up
with some errors that I might try and figure out on Monday.

--- Jay


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In article , Jay Masino wrote:
Tony Cox wrote:
If you are using Linux or Solaris, have you tried running the
application with 'wine' (www.winehq.com)?

It seems to only support Solaris X86, not Sparc.i

Wine just provides the Win32 API and associated cruft. If you have a
Sparc binary for Windows (unlikely!) then Wine would work with it -
otherwise since your Sparc doesn't do ia32 instructions, you're
buggered unless you have an ia32 emulator.

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Dylan Smith wrote:
Wine just provides the Win32 API and associated cruft. If you have a
Sparc binary for Windows (unlikely!) then Wine would work with it -
otherwise since your Sparc doesn't do ia32 instructions, you're
buggered unless you have an ia32 emulator.

I had a feeling that might be the case, but I was hoping it was a
"real" emulator. The last time I played with wine was when it was in it's
infantile form, and I think the Linux kernel was something like 0.92

--- Jay

--

__!__
Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

In article , Jay Masino wrote:
I had a feeling that might be the case, but I was hoping it was a
"real" emulator. The last time I played with wine was when it was in it's
infantile form, and I think the Linux kernel was something like 0.92

At that time there was a real emulator of sorts called WABI (Windows
Application Binary Interface). I think it was developed by Sun, and of
course it was Windows 3.1 at the time. WABI treated Intel instructions
as bytecode on non i386 systems, and provided the Win3.1 API. I remember
having to use it to read a Word for Windows document when I had an IBM
RS/6000 Model 220 on my desk, running AIX 4.something.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Jay Masino" wrote in message
...
Tony Cox wrote:
If you are using Linux or Solaris, have you tried running the
application with 'wine' (www.winehq.com)?
I've tried several Windows native applications on Linux and
had no problems, although I've not yet tried the flight planner.
('wine' is a free Windows API emulator that runs on a variety
of other OS)

It seems to only support Solaris X86, not Sparc. And it doesn't seem
to have support for Mac OSX, either. Nevertheless, I downloaded
the source and compiled it on my Sun (sparc), anyway. It's coming up
with some errors that I might try and figure out on Monday.


I don't think that will work. As I remember, 'wine' is designed around
IA32, at least as far as running native Windows applications is concerned.
If you had the source for the Flight Planner that would be a different
matter...

(It works by actually running code from the Windows application image,
jumping out to emulator code for all Windows API calls, such as system
services and graphic calls. It converts the latter to Unix-style posix calls
and X-windows calls respectively. In typical smart-arse Unix-developer
speak,
'wine' stands for "wine is not {an} emulator", which I suppose is strictly
correct if a little misleading).

If you have Linux SUSE, 'wine' is an optional product that you can just
install from the CD.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:55 +0000, Tony Cox wrote:

If you are using Linux or Solaris, have you tried running the
application with 'wine' (www.winehq.com)?

I've tried using wine to run it, but it's not very good at it, though it
does run there are glitches in the graphics and it locks up.

If a person is desperate, then I highly suggest using VMWare, it's the
actual Windows OS of your choice and is pretty good.

I don't understand. This implies to me that they used to offer support for
other platforms, and have withdrawn it. The use of the words "remaining" and
"eliminated" are pretty clear here.

While the fact is they have provided an *increment* on what was previously
available. It's a but reminiscent of people trying to explain how adding gay
marriage will destroy traditional marriages.

-- David Brooks

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
gonline.com...
I tried to go to the AOPA Flight Planning web page today, and found that
the
only option remaining is to download a Microsoft-only application. This
seems annoying.

Sure, I was able to go directly to the duat web site, and it was fine.
But
I'm a member of AOPA, and they've eliminated a benefit from my use merely
because I prefer to use a more robust computing environment.

Especially given what's going on with viruses, worms, zombie machines, and
the like, requiring that AOPA members used one particular unsafe platform
to exercise an organization benefit seems foolish.

Has this issue been raised to AOPA and ignored? Is something in the works
for the rest of us? Anyone here know what's going on?

- Andrew

Oh, wait, there was a web-based planner, wasn't there. I take back; let's
ask AOPA to restore it. Then I can run it from Redhat Linux running in
Virtual PC on my XP laptop :-)

-- David Brooks

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
I don't understand. This implies to me that they used to offer support for
other platforms, and have withdrawn it. The use of the words "remaining"
and
"eliminated" are pretty clear here.

While the fact is they have provided an *increment* on what was previously
available. It's a but reminiscent of people trying to explain how adding
gay
marriage will destroy traditional marriages.

-- David Brooks

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
gonline.com...
I tried to go to the AOPA Flight Planning web page today, and found that
the
only option remaining is to download a Microsoft-only application. This
seems annoying.

Sure, I was able to go directly to the duat web site, and it was fine.
But
I'm a member of AOPA, and they've eliminated a benefit from my use
merely
because I prefer to use a more robust computing environment.

Especially given what's going on with viruses, worms, zombie machines,
and
the like, requiring that AOPA members used one particular unsafe
platform
to exercise an organization benefit seems foolish.

Has this issue been raised to AOPA and ignored? Is something in the
works
for the rest of us? Anyone here know what's going on?

- Andrew

David Brooks wrote:

Oh, wait, there was a web-based planner, wasn't there. I take back; let's
ask AOPA to restore it. Then I can run it from Redhat Linux running in
Virtual PC on my XP laptop :-)

The web based planner was just CSC DUATS with the AOPA logo in front of it. CSC
DUATS didn't go anywhere, it's still at http://www.duats.com. Don't get too
excited, it still works just fine.


But for web based access, I prefer duat.com. duats.com is better when you are
using their front end software, Cirrus.