I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

In rec.aviation.owning tony roberts wrote:
: Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
: It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
: hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
: watch

According to Rev 7 of the Cirrus TCDS (A00009CH), August 15th 2004, both
Cirrus models have an airframe life limit of 12,000 hours.
--
Aaron Coolidge

That's good to hear - Thanks.
The 4000 hours had to have lost them sales

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE


In article ,
Aaron Coolidge wrote:

In rec.aviation.owning tony roberts wrote:
: Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
: It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
: hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
: watch

According to Rev 7 of the Cirrus TCDS (A00009CH), August 15th 2004, both
Cirrus models have an airframe life limit of 12,000 hours.

Tony,

The 4000 hours had to have lost them sales


Well, they're the best selling piston single engine aircraft line. So
just what do you base that statement on?
b
--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Tony,

The 4000 hours had to have lost them sales


Well, they're the best selling piston single engine aircraft line. So
just what do you base that statement on?

That I don't have one yet?

- Andrew

In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Tony,

The 4000 hours had to have lost them sales


Well, they're the best selling piston single engine aircraft line. So
just what do you base that statement on?
b

A couple of things actually.

First, the pure logic which dictates that many pilots would not lay out
$500,000 on an aircraft with a specified airframe life of 4000 hours.

Second, of the three friends of mine who own SR20's, they were all put
off by the specified airframe life of the SR22.

Third, a conversation with the Cirrus sales team at Arlington.
I asked them if they had any further progress in extending the airframe
life of the SR22. They told me that they were still waiting, but when it
was approved they expected sales on the SR22 to improve dramatically.

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Would it work to offer to pay for the flight with the condition that your
money be refunded if you bought?

"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
...
Would it work to offer to pay for the flight with the condition that your
money be refunded if you bought?

And if he didn't like the product?

Guess which people will be bitching the loudest when the GA markets sours in
a couple of years.

Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Couldn't agree more - however - the down side of a lose / lose situation is
that the client is one of the losers too - which is what we're trying to
work around.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
...
Would it work to offer to pay for the flight with the condition that
your
money be refunded if you bought?

And if he didn't like the product?

Guess which people will be bitching the loudest when the GA markets sours
in
a couple of years.

Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.

If you have good credit go to you lender and get pre qualified for a set
amount say up to 300K then go look for a new airplane. You don't have to
take the loan but you will have near immediate availability of funds when
you find the one you like. When you go to a dealer with you finances in
order I am sure they will take you on a demo ride.

But why don't you get yourself a good used aircraft like a 150 do your
training then sell basically get your training for almost nothing or use it
as a low cost time builder after buying a larger aircraft.

New is not always the best choice! New airplanes I am seeing lose a lot of
their value right off the bat New = Negative Equity & Wasted Money. Used
airplanes a few years old seem to hold a reasonable value.

Getting a demo flight in a private party owned airplane may be simpler then
getting a demo flight in a new airplane!

I don't know the details, but it is possible that they simply aren't allowed
by insurance to give demo flights to student pilots. Have they offered to
demo the airplane to you as long as you don't fly it?

The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

My advice is to cool your jets on buying an airplane and finish getting your
ticket. Flying your own plane just adds another distraction. Insurance
will be very, very tough to get. Keep your eye on the ball.

- Mark