US Dollar sinks to new low against Euro

You can't fly your friends in a PW6. They will be
to busy laughing at you.




At 01:06 07 November 2004, Charles Yeates wrote:
Good news -- but you could buy a PW-6U two-seater for
41,200 Euro and
have the pleasure of flying friends, eh?

Talking about the LS-4b: It's back in production (by
Walter Eisele, a
well-known german glider pilot), now called LS-4/2005.

Price is 39.400 Euro, complete with retractable gear
and water bags.
Winglets are optional.

Lots of bang for the buck if you ask me.



Bye
Andreas

U¿ytkownik "Mike Hessington"
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ...
You can't fly your friends in a PW6. They will be
to busy laughing at you.

But You may leave them behind with an SZD-55 (and still with 4500Euro in
pocket to buy them an evening beer which will improve their mood). :P


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"Janusz Kesik" wrote in message ...
U¿ytkownik "Mike Hessington"
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ...
You can't fly your friends in a PW6. They will be
to busy laughing at you.

But You may leave them behind with an SZD-55 (and still with 4500Euro in
pocket to buy them an evening beer which will improve their mood). :P

There is several problems with the SZD 55; the manufacturer has very
poor web site and the information contained on those couple of pages
is very limited, it lacks photo gallery for each of its products.
People like to see what they intend to buy. Next, the SZD rep is
located in Toronto, Canada....well, if the factory has any intention
of selling the SZD gliders here in the U.S.A. they need to have a rep
on the West Coast or Southern U.S. Do you really think that average
people in this country know anything about the SZD? I seriously doubt
it. Most of people who buy gliders buy them from friends, club
members, etc. So, the representation of the SZD gliders is almost non
existing in the Western and Southern U.S. Is the comparison between
LS4 and SZD 55 a valid one? I don't think so. LS4 is very docile...can
this be said about the 55? Would you like to compare a stall in LS4
and SZD55? How about SZD 55 being flown by low time pilot?!!!
Especially flying downwind to base or base to final?!!! SZD 55 is for
sure an excellent sailplane but for more seasoned pilots.
Now, if it comes to quality of Polish built gliders: THEY CAN BUILT
THEM AS NICE AS THE GERMAN MANUFACTURERS CAN. End of story. Some of
the German gliders are built in Czech Republic and Slovenia; that
means outside of Germany.
But most the people have legitimate concerns: price of the
gliders...and now the Euro and Dollar exchange. I want to buy a new
glider but simply put...I will delay my purchase until the dollar will
have more favorable exchange rate. Also, most the european
manufacturers will see a big impact, affecting their production,
because individuals in the U.S.A. were buying more new gliders then
any other countries. So, the European manufacturers can adjust their
prices for the U.S. market or...massive layoffs? to many built gliders
and no buyers? Well, time will show...

"Jacek Kobiesa" wrote in message
om...
"Janusz Kesik" wrote in message
...
U¿ytkownik "Mike Hessington"
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ...
Also, most the european
manufacturers will see a big impact, affecting their production,
because individuals in the U.S.A. were buying more new gliders then
any other countries. So, the European manufacturers can adjust their
prices for the U.S. market or...massive layoffs? to many built gliders
and no buyers? Well, time will show...

Thats not the impression I am getting. The drop off in new glider purchases
from America started 3 years ago. The dollar is only the latest thing to
affect that. The order books for the factory I represent have filled out
alot in the last year to my surprise and waiting times have increased
markedly.

Earlier, (Jacek Kobiesa) wrote:

... Also, most the european manufacturers
will see a big impact, affecting their
production, because individuals in the
U.S.A. were buying more new gliders then
any other countries...

My understanding is that the US market typically accounts for about
15% of manufactured soaring articles including sailplanes. I haven't
heard of anything about that changing lately.

Bob K.

Hi,

Does anyone have the name of the person or company that is planning to
produce the LS-4s?

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"Mike Hessington" wrote in message
...
You can't fly your friends in a PW6. They will be
to busy laughing at you.




At 01:06 07 November 2004, Charles Yeates wrote:
Good news -- but you could buy a PW-6U two-seater for
41,200 Euro and
have the pleasure of flying friends, eh?

Talking about the LS-4b: It's back in production (by
Walter Eisele, a
well-known german glider pilot), now called LS-4/2005.

Price is 39.400 Euro, complete with retractable gear
and water bags.
Winglets are optional.

Lots of bang for the buck if you ask me.



Bye
Andreas

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:06:18 GMT, "Paul Remde" wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have the name of the person or company that is planning to
produce the LS-4s?

Walter Eisele.



Bye
Andreas

He is the fellow who was suing DG over the LS purchase? Maybe the
resolution was that he got the LS-4, and DG got everything else?

In what country will the LS-4 be produced?


Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:06:18 GMT, "Paul Remde" wrote:


Hi,

Does anyone have the name of the person or company that is planning to
produce the LS-4s?


Walter Eisele.



Bye
Andreas

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:17:01 -0800, Greg Arnold
wrote:

He is the fellow who was suing DG over the LS purchase? Maybe the
resolution was that he got the LS-4, and DG got everything else?

I think so... but I'm not the one to answer this question.


In what country will the LS-4 be produced?
I think it's going to be produced by AMS in Slowenia.. This is the
company that has produced the DG gliders in the past and that also
produces and markets the DG-303 and 505 now.

Here's the website: http://www.ams-flight.si/





Bye
Andreas

The SZD55 is almost identical in performance to a Discus
1. Build quality on the originals was not as good
as the LS4 but perhaps the new builds are higher quality.

The handling was not as good as the LS4 (but nothing
touches an LS4 for handling) and the fuse looks like
it's been beaten with the Jantar ugly stick.

All in all, very good bang for buck. The only real
problem is that it isn't competitive in any competition
class right now. It's too hot for the club class and
can't quite foot it with LS8s and D2s. I guess that
will change over time.

Mike.


At 15:24 07 November 2004, Michel Talon wrote:
Janusz Kesik wrote:

SZD-55, also back in production, but much more modern
design than LS-4 (some
ten years younger)

Meaning what exactly in terms of L/D, ease of use,
build quality etc.
Seriously, i have never seen a SZD-55 i have no a priori.

Lots of bang for a buck, isn't it?


Depends on the answer to the above question. I know
for sure the LS4
is an excellent glider. I know nothing about the polish
one.

--

Michel TALON