HURRICANE PROOF BUILDINGS

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
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That's because you are not an engineer and haven't a clue. Almost all
common building materials can be used to build a structure of a given
strength. It is just that some materials are more cost effective in
certain circumstances. A safe room built from 10" thick oak timbers
would be quite strong. It is just that few people know how to
properly build with timber these days and reinforced concrete is easy
and cheap.
Nothing to do with strength, it is economics.

Matt


Tell me something I don't know, Matt. It's called "taking the cheapest
route and not worrying about the consequences." And it's precisely what I
am addressing. You say I don't have a clue? Tell you what, tell me, when
was the last time you saw a safe room built out of 10" thick oak timbers in
your average wood home?

Juan


I've never seen a safe room as where I live we have safe basements!
However, that wasn't the point. The point was that some here have
claimed that concrete is somehow inherently stronger than wood and that
is simply rubbish.


Matt

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
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No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a
daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up
rather well.


Source, please. Daily beating on the order of what category hurricane?



Sorry, I don't get paid to educate you. Do a Google search and look at
the psi that say 150 MPH wind generates than then figure out what
pressure is generated from smacking into water at 20-25 MPH.


Matt

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
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The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a...

I was talking about the hull hitting the ways. Hitting a wave at
15-20 knots is a LOT of force.


Excuse me, but who is truly clueless here? Since when did old wood sailing
ships travel at anywhere near 15-20 knots? Maybe down the business side of
a tsunami with a cat 5 hurricane tailwind...

Juan


I didn't say the ship was traveling at 15 - 20 knots. Ships have a
certain speed. Waves also have a certain speed. Ships also rise and
fall in heavy seas. It is the vector sum of all of these that
determines the impact velocity. If a ship is traveling at 8 knots, and
falls 8' into a wave that is traveling at 6 knots in the opposite
direction, the impact force is much greater than the just the 8 knots
speed of the ship. Is this really that hard a concept to understand?


Matt

Corky Scott wrote in
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:42:31 GMT, Juan Jimenez wrote:

First you tell Matt not to argue with me because you think I'm an
expert on everything and now you agree with my assessment of Mark's
comments. Hmm.

Juan

Actually I think I suggested EVERYONE not argue with you, but it
wasn't because I thought you were "an expert on everything". It was
because you seem to enjoy bickering so much.

Corky Scott

It's a pity that you're so hung up on calling "bickering" what most other
people know as "debate.' That's what usenet is about. Get with the program.

Matt Whiting wrote in news:cg355421sa3
@enews1.newsguy.com:

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:


No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a
daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up
rather well.


Source, please. Daily beating on the order of what category hurricane?


Sorry, I don't get paid to educate you.

Neither do I get paid to humor fools.

plonk!

Matt Whiting wrote in
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Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:


The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a...

I was talking about the hull hitting the ways. Hitting a wave at
15-20 knots is a LOT of force.


Excuse me, but who is truly clueless here? Since when did old wood
sailing ships travel at anywhere near 15-20 knots? Maybe down the
business side of a tsunami with a cat 5 hurricane tailwind...

Juan


I didn't say the ship was traveling at 15 - 20 knots. Ships have a
certain speed. Waves also have a certain speed.

20 knot waves. Unhuh. Clueless doesn't do you justice.

Juan

From: Matt Whiting
Date: 8/19/2004 4:16 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:


The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a...

I was talking about the hull hitting the ways. Hitting a wave at
15-20 knots is a LOT of force.


Excuse me, but who is truly clueless here? Since when did old wood sailing
ships travel at anywhere near 15-20 knots? Maybe down the business side of
a tsunami with a cat 5 hurricane tailwind...

Juan


I didn't say the ship was traveling at 15 - 20 knots. Ships have a
certain speed. Waves also have a certain speed. Ships also rise and
fall in heavy seas. It is the vector sum of all of these that
determines the impact velocity. If a ship is traveling at 8 knots, and
falls 8' into a wave that is traveling at 6 knots in the opposite
direction, the impact force is much greater than the just the 8 knots
speed of the ship. Is this really that hard a concept to understand?


Matt

It is to juan. If you really want to confuse him explain how a sailboat can
ride over a 400 kt tsunami in mid ocean without really noticing.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in news:cg355421sa3
@enews1.newsguy.com:


Juan Jimenez wrote:


Matt Whiting wrote in
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No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a
daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up
rather well.


Source, please. Daily beating on the order of what category hurricane?


Sorry, I don't get paid to educate you.


Neither do I get paid to humor fools.

plonk!


Success at last!


Matt

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
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Juan Jimenez wrote:


Matt Whiting wrote in
:



The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a...

I was talking about the hull hitting the ways. Hitting a wave at
15-20 knots is a LOT of force.


Excuse me, but who is truly clueless here? Since when did old wood
sailing ships travel at anywhere near 15-20 knots? Maybe down the
business side of a tsunami with a cat 5 hurricane tailwind...

Juan


I didn't say the ship was traveling at 15 - 20 knots. Ships have a
certain speed. Waves also have a certain speed.


20 knot waves. Unhuh. Clueless doesn't do you justice.

Juan


I never said anything about 20 knot waves. Now I know why you can't
Google for yourself. You can't read the results.


Matt

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:22:33 +0000, RobertR237 wrote:

expert in all things and nothing will ever change his mind.

I hate to say it, but getting a BD5 ready to fly seems to have changed his
mind, as well as leaving our country.