Someone left a mess at CGX !

"Roger" wrote in message
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Leak?

I was raised in rural Michigan. In the 40's and 50's they used to
*spray* the gravel roads with brine and/or oil. In many places they
even used what was affectionately known as "drip". Ever hear a car
run on that stuff? :-)) When changing the oil in cars and tractors
people were encouraged to spread it on the gravel roads to keep the
dust down. The brine truck used to make at least two trips a summer
down our road.

Most of the foundation for older roads around here has two or three
heavy coats of brine.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger

If it weren't for brine, there'd be no Dow and if there were no Dow there'd
probably be no Midland.

http://www.geo.msu.edu/geo333/dow.html

I can still hear my boss's voice on the Corporate History piece we did:

"It was in 1897 that Herbert Dow discovered Brine buried in pockets deep
beneath the Earth..."

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
(Production Intern - Dow Chemical Co. PR Dept. Midland, MI - '84/'85)

Roger wrote in
:

Snipola
A news report some years back stated that every year Americans throw
more oil out into the woods and/or roads than was lost in the Exxon
Valdez (sp?) incident.

I'm not surprised. It's so damned hard to "properly" dispose
of used oil if you do your own changing. I'm speaking of the
common person that liks to change the oil in their car instead
of paying some drop out 50 bucks to not put the drain plug back
in properly.

I live in an LA suburb and I've always had trouble finding a
place to dispose of my used oil. Places either charge, or you
have to use a special certified container to bring it in. Oh,
and of course they just happen to sell these special certified
containers for a "nominal" fee, of course.

I bet 99% of people who change their own oil end up putting the
used stuff in the same bottles they just poured the new stuff
out of. Why can't you turn it in like that? I'm not kidding!
I've been turned away before. "Not approved."

So, I end up with gallons of used oil sitting in my garage until
the city has one of those free "bring anything" trash collection
sites set up for a couple days every few years.

Brian
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote

If it weren't for brine, there'd be no Dow and if there were no Dow
there'd
probably be no Midland.

Harumph. I had no idea that there was brine in Michigan, and that started
Dow. Learn something new every day. Some days. I wouldn't want to be
"too" smart. g
--
Jim in NC

Little known and lesser cared about trivia ...

Probably the only thing I took with me from my short stint in Midland. My
internship supervisor was "old school" having worked his way up through the
ranks as a "one man band" street reporter shooting stories on 16mm film and
was sure I'd never amount to much.

20 years (11 at the network level), 7 Emmy Awards (self
agrandizement...sorry), and my PP-ASEL later ... well it just goes to show
you never know... LOL!

;O)

Jay B

"Jay Beckman" wrote

If it weren't for brine, there'd be no Dow and if there were no Dow
there'd
probably be no Midland.

Harumph. I had no idea that there was brine in Michigan, and that started
Dow. Learn something new every day. Some days. I wouldn't want to be
"too" smart. g
--
Jim in NC

"Skywise" wrote

I live in an LA suburb and I've always had trouble finding a
place to dispose of my used oil. Places either charge, or you
have to use a special certified container to bring it in.

You kalifornians need to get real with all of your green laws that are
counter productive.

Here, you can bring oil in to about any auto parts store, in anything you
want to bring it in. How can that be bad?
--
Jim in NC

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:11:33 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
.. .
Leak?

I was raised in rural Michigan. In the 40's and 50's they used to
*spray* the gravel roads with brine and/or oil. In many places they
even used what was affectionately known as "drip". Ever hear a car
run on that stuff? :-)) When changing the oil in cars and tractors
people were encouraged to spread it on the gravel roads to keep the
dust down. The brine truck used to make at least two trips a summer
down our road.

Most of the foundation for older roads around here has two or three
heavy coats of brine.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger

If it weren't for brine, there'd be no Dow and if there were no Dow there'd
probably be no Midland.

http://www.geo.msu.edu/geo333/dow.html

I can still hear my boss's voice on the Corporate History piece we did:

"It was in 1897 that Herbert Dow discovered Brine buried in pockets deep
beneath the Earth..."

Deep? The stuff is so close to the surface around here probably 10 to
20% of the home water wells are brine producers. Anything over 150
feet is quite likely to hit brine instead of clean water. Dow used
the brine to produce Bromine. The original well has been rebuilt and
stands between main street and the river about a mile to the NW of the
business district and next to the corner of North wood University.

BTW, the original oil fields in this area were only 500 to 1500 feet
deep. There is also a very large coal deposit that under lays most of
the Saginaw valley. The vein is at its thickest and deepest in this
area at roughly 400 feet plus change.It's very close to the surface of
the shale and there is almost 400 feet of sand, gravel, and clay (full
of water) on top of that. Of course the coal, like the oil has very
high sulfur content and the coal vein is only about 3' thick at the
thickest. It's also very soft coal. OTOH there are many hundreds of
square miles of the stuff. It comes to the surface at the north side
of the valley and can be seen in rock outcroppings where it's only a
few inches thick.

When I say valley, don't think in terms of Colorado or Kentucky. At
its widest the valley must be close to 100 miles across and is only a
couple hundred feet deep. Unless you are watching you can drive out
of it and never be aware you left. I used to live 65 miles from work.
The last 5 miles on the way home were where US-10 climbed out of the
valley just west of Farwell MI.

We lived just about 300 to 400 yards west of the top of Michigan's
"continental divide". There was a 200' plus radio tower on the top of
the hill and I climbed that thing many a time. One day I was up there
and heard a jet coming. I kept looking, but no jet. Then I looked to
the west and down. He was less than a mile west and about 100 feet
below me and really hauling. There is an MOA there, but the base is
7000 feet.

One night I woke around midnight to the sound of a very loud prop
plane. I rolled over and looked out the bedroom window which faced
east and the tower just in time to see what appeared to be a Beech 18
headed south just above the tops of the trees between us and the
tower. He had to have been with in 100 feet of the guy lines. He was
close enough I could see the sparks and fire coming out of the exhaust
stacks.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
(Production Intern - Dow Chemical Co. PR Dept. Midland, MI - '84/'85)

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 01:07:38 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote

I was raided in rural Michigan.

I hope that being "raided" didn't set your development back too far! BFG

That happens at 4:00 AM.


In the 40's and 50's they used to
*spray* the gravel roads with brine and/or oil.

I too remember the oil spraying.

In many places they
even used what was affectionately known as "drip". Ever hear a car
run on that stuff? :-))

Now, I'm clueless when you speak of "drip." What is it?

The "low boilers" driectly off the oil wells. Lots of Naptha and
other good *stuff*. Spark knock like crazy, foul the plugs, backfie
through the carb and bark out the exhaust. When times were tough
people used to slip up to the tanks and drain off a bit. You could
tell by the noise (and smell) who was burning the stuff.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


When changing the oil in cars and tractors people were encouraged to
spread it on
the gravel roads to keep the dust down. The brine truck used to make at
least two
trips a summer down our road.

Brine? As in sal****er, or something else?

Most of the foundation for older roads around here has two or three
heavy coats of brine.

That sounds like the tar oil type of stuff, like they still use between
coats of bitumenous (sp?) concrete. (asphalt)

I'm surprised you know about all of this road stuff. Did they really have
cars, back when you grew up? g,dr
--
Jim in NC

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:11:33 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
.. .
Leak?

I was raised in rural Michigan. In the 40's and 50's they used to
*spray* the gravel roads with brine and/or oil. In many places they
even used what was affectionately known as "drip". Ever hear a car
run on that stuff? :-)) When changing the oil in cars and tractors
people were encouraged to spread it on the gravel roads to keep the
dust down. The brine truck used to make at least two trips a summer
down our road.

Most of the foundation for older roads around here has two or three
heavy coats of brine.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger

If it weren't for brine, there'd be no Dow and if there were no Dow there'd
probably be no Midland.


If you've been back recently you would see Dow is only a shadow of
it's former self. Back in the 50's and 60's they had an hourly work
force of over 7,000. I think it was 75090 or 7600. I'd guess that
all of the current Midland work force including supervision is less
than a quarter of that.

People complain about the traffic on M-20 now, but they should have
see it in the mornings and afternoons around shift change time. It's
a 5 lane high way now. Back then it was only two lanes and no stop
lights.

http://www.geo.msu.edu/geo333/dow.html

I can still hear my boss's voice on the Corporate History piece we did:

"It was in 1897 that Herbert Dow discovered Brine buried in pockets deep
beneath the Earth..."

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
(Production Intern - Dow Chemical Co. PR Dept. Midland, MI - '84/'85)

84 - 85 I was an Instrument man out at Hemi-Semi. Quit and went back
to college full time in 87. They are now the world's largest producer
of poly crystalline Silicon and they just announced an expansion that
will double the size of the plant. I'm not sure of the output any
more, but it's in the thousands of metric tons per year. That is a
*lot* of transistors.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:43:07 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Worst case: Aviation gets another black
eye, and the FAA ends up being liable for "contamination" at every
airport
in America.

I wouldn't think that a likely scenario since the FAA doesn't
run/operate/own
any airports.

I hope you're right, but.... The FAA is the over-arching, controlling
agency here.

EPA doesn't own any old, abandoned gas stations (with leaky underground
tanks), but they're responsible for cleaning them up, right?

EPA is responsible for finding "someone" to blame, fine, and force to
do the clean up, or pay for it on top of the fine. In the case of a
city owned airport it's going to be the city and that means the tax
payers.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 03:06:14 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:

wrote:

But those airports don't sit in the water supply for 7 million people.

Chicago used to pull its water from the river and dump its sewage in the lake.
This has changed?

I think they changed the order.
In from the lake and out into the river?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


George Patterson
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your slightly older self.