I think I know why so many Cirrus' crash

It was a long time ago when I went from high wing airplanes with flaps
that would make it possible to flare on the numbers from way-too-high
on final to a Mooney 201. It took some time before I was comfortable
flying it at a suitable airspeed on short final, but that lesson was
well learned. It's nice to think about where I want to turn off the
runway and plan my touchdown a thousand feet or so before that point
without worrying about technique or the like. Nothing like hundreds and
hundreds of hours in the same airplane to be able to fly it well.

It turns out Mooneys slip really well, too: a pilot can burn a lot of
altitude without gaining airspeed that way. Mooney flaps do a good job
of reducing stall speed, but they surely are not the barn door air
brakes Cessna puts on 182s.

The 'game' my partner and I play when we fly together is, the PIC has
to buy the check pilot a drink if he has to advance the throttle
anywhere from the OM to flare (if under the hood) or from passing the
numbers downwind if in the pattern. We have other 'games' too, but that
one is relevent to this thread.

FWIW, I admire a pilot who has the intellegence to say there's
something wrong with an approach and chooses to abort a landing. Too
many others try to force things and that sometimes leads to bent
airplanes and broken people.

The thread has deviated from its initial topic into other interesting
areas without involving politics yet. How long can that last?

On 15 Jan 2006 06:16:22 -0800, "darthpup"
wrote:

Well streamlined small aircraft can be a trick to land. The Cessna
177B is one example and the Cirrus is another. Bring them down to

The 177 is streamlines?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

within two feet of the runway surface, hold it level and apply brakes
when it hits the surface. How hard can it be?

"John Doe" wrote:

Before you rip on too many Cirrus owners, did he have to go around for poor
airspeed control?

Maybe not, but his poor/unsafe pattern entry did distract me from
proper airspeed management. Thus he was the one creating unsafe
conditions. Although I could have landed long, I decided it made
more sense to go around. No shame in that. Especially with an poor
pilot in a Cirrus behind me.

Is John Doe your name or are you afraid to use your real name like I
do?

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in
"John Doe" wrote:

Before you rip on too many Cirrus owners, did he have to go around for
poor
airspeed control?

Maybe not, but his poor/unsafe pattern entry did distract me from
proper airspeed management.

If that's all it takes, maybe you are more of a danger to yourself and
others than you think.

Thus he was the one creating unsafe
conditions.

There are myriad regular distractions at least this distracting that happen
regularly. You said that your stellar judgement keeps you out of situations
where superior skill is necessary. Perhaps you should avoid flying anywhere
but near remote deserted airports.

Although I could have landed long, I decided it made
more sense to go around. No shame in that. Especially with an poor
pilot in a Cirrus behind me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

Is John Doe your name or are you afraid to use your real name like I
do?

Godlike. Your courage is an example to us all.

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote:

"Ron Lee" wrote in
"John Doe" wrote:

Before you rip on too many Cirrus owners, did he have to go around for
poor
airspeed control?

Maybe not, but his poor/unsafe pattern entry did distract me from
proper airspeed management.

If that's all it takes, maybe you are more of a danger to yourself and
others than you think.

I was just fast enough that a normal landing was not possible. That
is hardly a safety issue. I was there.


Thus he was the one creating unsafe
conditions.

There are myriad regular distractions at least this distracting that happen
regularly. You said that your stellar judgement keeps you out of situations
where superior skill is necessary.

Never said that. Good try.

Perhaps you should avoid flying anywhere but near remote deserted airports.

Not an option and not needed.


Although I could have landed long, I decided it made
more sense to go around. No shame in that. Especially with an poor
pilot in a Cirrus behind me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

Your opinion. Do you fly?

Is John Doe your name or are you afraid to use your real name like I
do?

Godlike. Your courage is an example to us all.

moo

An anonymous poster. I am impressed.

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in message news:
Maybe not, but his poor/unsafe pattern entry did distract me from
proper airspeed management.

If that's all it takes, maybe you are more of a danger to yourself and
others than you think.

I was just fast enough that a normal landing was not possible. That
is hardly a safety issue. I was there.

You were distracted by a common (ask around) occurrance. Do you call a
missed approach when your pax farts?


Thus he was the one creating unsafe
conditions.

There are myriad regular distractions at least this distracting that
happen
regularly. You said that your stellar judgement keeps you out of
situations
where superior skill is necessary.

Never said that. Good try.

Yes, you did:

"I make up for lesser skills than others with superior judgement!"


Perhaps you should avoid flying anywhere but near remote deserted
airports.

Not an option and not needed.

If you can't control your airspeed in the patten when some mundane (and it
was) distraction occurs then it's likey needed. I'll gladly concede defeat
on this if any experienced pilot here thinks that you were sorely
challenged.


Although I could have landed long, I decided it made
more sense to go around. No shame in that. Especially with an poor
pilot in a Cirrus behind me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

Your opinion. Do you fly?

Yes.

Is John Doe your name or are you afraid to use your real name like I
do?

Godlike. Your courage is an example to us all.

An anonymous poster. I am impressed.

Hey stoopid, I'm not anonymous. I've posted from the same ISP for a decade.
That I just know that you're a pompous ass and you don't know my phone
number is of no interest to the world at large. Really want it? Google is
your friend.

moo

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
"John Doe" wrote:

Before you rip on too many Cirrus owners, did he have to go around for
poor
airspeed control?

Maybe not, but his poor/unsafe pattern entry did distract me from
proper airspeed management. Thus he was the one creating unsafe
conditions. Although I could have landed long, I decided it made
more sense to go around. No shame in that. Especially with an poor
pilot in a Cirrus behind me.


I would love to hear what your insurance company would say about that if you
crash your plane after landing long.
I already said I think you did the right thing by going around. (no shame at
all, I think it shows great decision making)
I've read nothing yet that really convinces me that this Cirrus guy is a bad
pilot. He was flying a non-standard pattern and communicating his
intentions and location on the correct freq. He may be inconsiderate, a
jerk, etc, but in this one case, does that really make him a bad pilot? (we
don't really know if the same pilot was seen on other occasions is the game
guy)



Is John Doe your name or are you afraid to use your real name like I
do?


You're so brave, cudos to you.

John Doe wrote:



I would love to hear what your insurance company would say about that if you
crash your plane after landing long.

They will verify your address so the check will get there. What else
could they possibly say?

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..


John Doe wrote:



I would love to hear what your insurance company would say about that if
you crash your plane after landing long.

They will verify your address so the check will get there. What else
could they possibly say?

You missed my point. It sounded like the OP was trying to put blame for his
inability to control airspeed and land on the fault of the Cirrus pilot
behind him. So if an accident had occurerd, fault would not lie with the
PIC but the Cirrus pilot. Had all that occurred, I would love to hear what
the lawyers would say about that.....that's all, nothing more than
interesting speculation.

"John Doe" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
"John Doe" wrote:

Before you rip on too many Cirrus owners, did he have to go around for
poor
airspeed control?

Maybe not, but his poor/unsafe pattern entry did distract me from
proper airspeed management. Thus he was the one creating unsafe
conditions. Although I could have landed long, I decided it made
more sense to go around. No shame in that. Especially with an poor
pilot in a Cirrus behind me.


I would love to hear what your insurance company would say about that if
you crash your plane after landing long.

They would say here is a check to get the aircraft fixed. Why would thay
say anything else?