Would this plane have flown?

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some way
of calling for help if they get stuck,


I would hope, if it developed into a survival situation, he activate his
elt. That seems reasonable.

"Jules" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:

Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some
way of calling for help if they get stuck,

I would hope, if it developed into a survival situation, he activate his
elt. That seems reasonable.

I suppose. But the dude in the truck was there, at least he knew he could
get a ride if the phone didn't work.


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Yes, i think she would have flown, but the aerodynamics may be a bit
off until u got it repaired.

Nobody can really tell just by looking at the picture. I would want a
look at the aileron attach points and control linkages - but that would
be a flashlight-and-mirror deal. If they were OK, I would cheerfully
sign the ferry premit and fly it.

The damage to the aileron is superficial. Stay in the green arc and it
will be OK. Do I know that beyond a shadow of a doubt? No. But as an
A&P and engineer, I consider it so close to certainty that I would be
willing to take the risk.

Michael

Robert M. Gary wrote:
http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/

I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend and a truck
backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had a sat phone and
I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and swap it for me.
However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down seemed to
think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply academic point of
view I"m curious what you guys think.

I would not have felt qualified to determine whether it was flyable or
not, so I probably would not have flown it without getting an opinion
and a ferry permit from an A&P (and I am not above making the A&P fly
with me). My main concerns would be weakened attach points and possibly
some sort of flutter induced by disrupted airflow over the aileron.

I would not have felt qualified to determine whether it was flyable or
not, so I probably would not have flown it without getting an opinion
and a ferry permit from an A&P (and I am not above making the A&P fly
with me). My main concerns would be weakened attach points and possibly
some sort of flutter induced by disrupted airflow over the aileron.

That is exactly how I felt (although I was less concerned with the
permit itself). I was getting lots of advice but it felt good to have
an A&P come out and give me his opinion. It would have been nice to get
the opinion of an aerospace engineer but I wasn't going to hold my
breath for that. I did have the A&P come with me on the test flight
after the repair before I put the family in the plane. My main concern
had also been flutter resulting from the uneven surface.
My broker seems to believe that it would be very unlikely that this
will effect my rates in the future. I"m hoping that they are able to
collect from the truck's Mexican liability policy too. BTW: I wonder
how often people drop their plane off for annual and the mechanic
borrows parts off it to retrieve another plane without the owner ever
knowing.

-Robert

Family values?

We all get there together, where the plane goes. "Daddy,
why are we dead?"



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ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
| I would not have felt qualified to determine whether it
was flyable or
| not, so I probably would not have flown it without
getting an opinion
| and a ferry permit from an A&P (and I am not above
making the A&P fly
| with me). My main concerns would be weakened attach
points and possibly
| some sort of flutter induced by disrupted airflow over
the aileron.
|
| That is exactly how I felt (although I was less concerned
with the
| permit itself). I was getting lots of advice but it felt
good to have
| an A&P come out and give me his opinion. It would have
been nice to get
| the opinion of an aerospace engineer but I wasn't going to
hold my
| breath for that. I did have the A&P come with me on the
test flight
| after the repair before I put the family in the plane. My
main concern
| had also been flutter resulting from the uneven surface.
| My broker seems to believe that it would be very unlikely
that this
| will effect my rates in the future. I"m hoping that they
are able to
| collect from the truck's Mexican liability policy too.
BTW: I wonder
| how often people drop their plane off for annual and the
mechanic
| borrows parts off it to retrieve another plane without the
owner ever
| knowing.
|
| -Robert
|

Family values?

We all get there together, where the plane goes. "Daddy,
why are we dead?"

Jim,

I'm not sure what type of stupid statement you are trying to make. The
plane was fixed (minus mismatched paint). How many years do you
normally require a plane sit idle after the A&P repairs the plane
before you fly it??

-Robert

Was it repaired and completely inspected or were more
repairs done on return to the USA? The indications that I
had from the thread was that more repairs/inspections were
done on the airplane after it returned to the US. Yet you
carried your family after major repairs caused by damage.

Glad you got away with it, but what would you have done had
the bell crank on the aileron been damaged and stuck the
aileron full up or down? What would have done if something
else was hidden in the controls that was not repaired? You
obviously had a question, why else did you start this
thread?

FAR requires a test flight after repairs and that you, the
pilot doing the test make a logbook entry, right after the
A&P release to service, before any passengers are carried.
Without a ferry permit [special airworthiness certificate]
the A&P can only return the aircraft to service if it is in
the same condition as a "new airplane" or all repairs are
completed. If you are stopped by the FAA on a ramp check,
hope all your paperwork is perfect.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Family values?
|
| We all get there together, where the plane goes.
"Daddy,
| why are we dead?"
|
| Jim,
|
| I'm not sure what type of stupid statement you are trying
to make. The
| plane was fixed (minus mismatched paint). How many years
do you
| normally require a plane sit idle after the A&P repairs
the plane
| before you fly it??
|
| -Robert
|