Beware travelers with bratty kids

G. Sylvester writes:

Roger - I have plenty of respect for the things you have to say but in
this case, the term is wrong. It is nonetheless common and somewhat
offensive.

It doesn't bother any of the flight attendants I know. Are you a
flight attendant?

Kind of like calling an Asian person an Oriental.

Orientals are a subset of Asians. Asia is a very big place. Oriental
refers to someone from the Far East, where mongoloid body types and
features are common (e.g., Japan, China, etc.). Two thirds of the
world is Asian, so Asian is a very vague term.

It's wrong and offensive.

It's neither.

In NY where I grew up, everyone called Asians as Orientals.

Which Asians? The term only applies to the ones I've described above.
Indians are Asians, but they aren't Orientals.

it wasn't until I moved to California I learned that it was
wrong.

Ah ... you moved to California. California isn't the world, and there
are many rational people outside the State, even if the rational ones
within it are not permitted to speak.

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On 2007-01-27, G. Sylvester wrote:
Roger - I have plenty of respect for the things you have to say but in
this case, the term is wrong.

I'm curious - what makes the term 'steward' or 'stewardess' offensive or
wrong? I can't think of any negative connotations of the term which
would do so. As far as I know, at least where I live, the collective
term is "cabin crew" and the singular term is "steward" or "stewardess",
and this is what the cabin crew actually call themselves.

I always thought "flight attendant" sounded slightly demeaning compared
to "steward" or "cabin crew".

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:34:50 GMT, "G. Sylvester"
wrote:

Roger wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:13:16 -0800, "G. Sylvester"
wrote:
First off, the mother called the Flight Attendants as stewardess. She
might as well had called them whores. Ok, maybe not that bad but it is
demeaning and the term steward/ess has been out of use for a couple of
decades. She should learn the right name.

It is.

I've been flying since they had fans on the front. They will always be
stews and stewardesses, just Oshkosh will always be "Oshkosh and not
Airventure

Roger - I have plenty of respect for the things you have to say but in
this case, the term is wrong. It is nonetheless common and somewhat
offensive.

A term is offensive only when the person takes it as offensive. That
they have changed the name of the job has not changed the job, nor
does it change the thinking of people who have been around for a long
time.

Kind of like calling an Asian person an Oriental. It's

Which is quite proper in most of the world

wrong and offensive. In NY where I grew up, everyone called Asians as
Orientals. it wasn't until I moved to California I learned that it was

Now that explains it. Moving into Kalifornia that is.

wrong. History won't make it right.

But moving out of California would.

This is confusing politically correctness with whether something is
right or wrong. You've picked a geographically localized PC term
where a local group had determined something is wrong even if most of
the world doesn't think that way.

Most Japanese and Indonesians I know do not find the term offensive
which I find strange in a way as the Japanese language and its use is
loaded with honorifics. It is also difficult to translate directly.
Translated literally, much of it can be very confusing to English
speaking people. As one Japanese friend said, "Just think Yoda" as
they must have used Japanese for his speech model. She works as a
translator.


Gerald
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Kingfish wrote:
Can't get your kid to behave on a plane? There's always Trailways...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773655/?GT1=8921


The hell you say. Why should other people have to put up with their
shenanigans? Tell him Avis tries harder... or give 'til it Hertz. Then they
can enjoy the full experience of parenthood in pristine solitude.



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Kingfish wrote:
Can't get your kid to behave on a plane? There's always Trailways...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773655/?GT1=8921

AirTran did everyone a favor...
- they removed the child and parents from the plane, giving the parents
time to get the child settled down
- in removing the child and parents from the plane, the aircraft was
able to procede on schedule

Everyones problems were solved. While the parents may not have been
happy, they received sufficient time to get the child under control
before the next one.

This is just another example of the "feel good" parenting that
psychologists were spouting in the 90's. In the real world, it doesn't
work. This was the first child for these parents, hopefully they have
learned a hard lesson and will not make the same mistake with the next one.

"john smith" wrote in message
...

Everyones problems were solved. While the parents may not have been happy,
they received sufficient time to get the child under control before the
next one.

But......

They were not permitted to board another flight within 24 hours, and the
airline did not return their luggage or carseat.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:51:57 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

"john smith" wrote in message
...

Everyones problems were solved. While the parents may not have been happy,
they received sufficient time to get the child under control before the
next one.

But......

They were not permitted to board another flight within 24 hours, and the
airline did not return their luggage or carseat.

They should have charged them storage.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

In article 11Nth.2595$2n.2338@trndny06,
"Steve Foley" wrote:

They were not permitted to board another flight within 24 hours, and the
airline did not return their luggage or carseat.

according to a news report, the family refused anything but a direct non-stop
flight.

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Yes it does-as long as it's delivered with consistency and honesty. You feed
a kid enough BS and eventually they stop listening to you altogether.

mike

"john smith" wrote in message
...

This is just another example of the "feel good" parenting that
psychologists were spouting in the 90's. In the real world, it doesn't
work. This was the first child for these parents, hopefully they have
learned a hard lesson and will not make the same mistake with the next
one.

In article ,
john smith wrote:

Kingfish wrote:
Can't get your kid to behave on a plane? There's always Trailways...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773655/?GT1=8921

AirTran did everyone a favor...
- they removed the child and parents from the plane, giving the parents
time to get the child settled down
- in removing the child and parents from the plane, the aircraft was
able to procede on schedule

Everyones problems were solved. While the parents may not have been
happy, they received sufficient time to get the child under control
before the next one.

This is just another example of the "feel good" parenting that
psychologists were spouting in the 90's. In the real world, it doesn't
work. This was the first child for these parents, hopefully they have
learned a hard lesson and will not make the same mistake with the next one.


Sort of makes you want to support retroactive abortion?