Fatal accident in Scotland

Anyone know any more about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/6975317.stm

Ian (in Scotland)

Only what is in the news:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...20261998&hl=en

Extremely sad, and I wish the injured pilot a full and speedy
recovery.


Dan

On 3 Sep, 08:52, Dan G wrote:
Only what is in the news:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...utf-8&ncl=1120...

Extremely sad, and I wish the injured pilot a full and speedy
recovery.
Dan

Thanks. I've also heard through another route that the glider was the
Scottish Gliding Association ASH-25, SSC.

Ian

The link I posted above no longer works. However, the name of the
pilot has now been released:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news...661329.0.0.php

All our thoughts are with his family, I'm sure.


Dan

Ian wrote:
On 3 Sep, 08:52, Dan G wrote:
Only what is in the news:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...utf-8&ncl=1120...

Extremely sad, and I wish the injured pilot a full and speedy
recovery.
Dan

Thanks. I've also heard through another route that the glider was the
Scottish Gliding Association ASH-25, SSC.

There's also a report in the Scotsman, not quoted here so far as I'm
aware, that adds some minor details:

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1399822007

It mentions another crash, this time on launch at Welland and also on
Sunday.


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On Sep 3, 8:21 pm, Martin Gregorie wrote:
It mentions another crash, this time on launch at Welland and also on
Sunday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/6975780.stm

A Welland member has posted on uras that it was a wing-drop on a winch
launch. Perhaps it is worth noting that it's only a few weeks since
the AAIB published their investigation into fatal winch-launch last
year, when a pilot did not release in a timely manner when his wing
dropped, contary to the BGA Safe Winch Launching advice.


Dan

It seems it has been a rather fatal sunday. This is another accident
near Gap, France. Anyone has more info?
(sorry the link is in French)

http://www.orange.fr/bin/frame.cgi?u...72526.eiefi7vi

This is mostly an attempt to rename a thread which
now has NO connection whatsoever with 925's crash on
Sunday.

As I understand it, the British system was changed
after accidents where pilots accepted a cable without
being ready to go and were winched off as a result
of, for example, scratching their noses. We can now
drill into pupils that you don't accept a cable until
you are ready to launch and your hand stays near the
release until the end of the launch, which will proceed
without any further pilot to launch marshal communication
being required.

It's a system which works well. If the pilot, for any
reason, wants to abort the launch they can pull the
release and shout 'stop'. The worst that can happen
in that case is the launch marshal fails to notice
and the cable has to be pulled back out.

At 14:42 04 September 2007, Markus Gayda wrote:
Hi Ian,

Ian schrieb:
We used to have a system in the UK which ensured this:
the pilot waved
one finger for 'take up slack' and two for 'all out'.
Thus the launch
didn't start until the signaller was assured that
the pilot had a hand
free. Now the launch starts when the signaller feels
like it, and s/he
just has to hope that the pilot has a hand near the
release, and not
scratching himself, adjusting the altimeter, twiddling
with the GPS -
or actually on the release, ready for an unwanted
pull off when the
wheel hits a bump.

I am sure that i would NOT want to signal a final 'go'
in a Discus or Mini-Nimbus.
The release handle is down at the bottom of the stick.
With long trousers you
can have trouble grabbing it fast.
I made it a habit to put two fingers over it before
launching (both winch and
aero-tow). That way i wont pull it inadvertendly (fingers
are stretched out,
not really gripping the handle) but i am still able
to release fast without
searching for the damn knob.

CU and happy landings,
Markus

On 4 Sep, 15:59, Andrew Warbrick
wrote:
This is mostly an attempt to rename a thread which
now has NO connection whatsoever with 925's crash on
Sunday.

As I understand it, the British system was changed
after accidents where pilots accepted a cable without
being ready to go and were winched off as a result
of, for example, scratching their noses.


That was the claim. In reality, I think it was changed because Lasham
had a new CFI who wanted to make an impact on the gliding scene.

I'm all in favour of changing systems from time to time. When people
have to think about what they are doing they are less likely to make
accidents from unwarranted assumptions. I still don't like losing that
degree of control of the launch, though.

Ian

The system of winch launch signalling, in the UK, was
changed so that pilots had their fingers close to the
release on take-off; not sticking two fingers up in
the air. You are not meant to accept the cable until
you are ready to launch, all fiddling complete; you
accept the cable you are ready to go.

At 14:00 04 September 2007, Ian wrote:

We used to have a system in the UK which ensured this:
the pilot waved
one finger for 'take up slack' and two for 'all out'.
Thus the launch
didn't start until the signaller was assured that the
pilot had a hand
free. Now the launch starts when the signaller feels
like it, and s/he
just has to hope that the pilot has a hand near the
release, and not
scratching himself, adjusting the altimeter, twiddling
with the GPS -
or actually on the release, ready for an unwanted pull
off when the
wheel hits a bump.

I'm sure it will change back in due course.

Ian