787 Story by Dan Rather

NEW YORK — Boeing Co's (BA) new carbon-composite 787
Dreamliner plane may turn out to be unsafe and could lead to
more deaths in crashes, according to a report by veteran
journalist Dan Rather to be broadcast in the United States
on Tuesday.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297248,00.html

On Sep 19, 10:09 am, FredGarvinMaleProstitute
wrote:
NEW YORK - Boeing Co's (BA) new carbon-composite 787
Dreamliner plane may turn out to be unsafe and could lead to
more deaths in crashes, according to a report by veteran
journalist Dan Rather to be broadcast in the United States
on Tuesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297248,00.html

Oooooo.... This is gonna get ugly.

I wonder how much Airbus is paying this guy?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sep 19, 9:17 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:09 am, FredGarvinMaleProstitute

wrote:
NEW YORK - Boeing Co's (BA) new carbon-composite 787
Dreamliner plane may turn out to be unsafe and could lead to
more deaths in crashes, according to a report by veteran
journalist Dan Rather to be broadcast in the United States
on Tuesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297248,00.html

Oooooo.... This is gonna get ugly.

I wonder how much Airbus is paying this guy?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.

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On Sep 19, 9:17 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:09 am, FredGarvinMaleProstitute

wrote:
NEW YORK - Boeing Co's (BA) new carbon-composite 787
Dreamliner plane may turn out to be unsafe and could lead to
more deaths in crashes, according to a report by veteran
journalist Dan Rather to be broadcast in the United States
on Tuesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297248,00.html

Oooooo.... This is gonna get ugly.

I wonder how much Airbus is paying this guy?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.

How many planes have been certified with serious design faults like the
wiring in 747 fuel tanks, duff 737 rudders.
With the FAA role including the promotion of aviation do you really think
that anyone would stop this airplane.
Forget Newton's laws, what makes planes fly is the law of politics and the
only component that cannot be priced too easily is the price of votes in DC.

wrote:
On Sep 19, 9:17 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:09 am, FredGarvinMaleProstitute

wrote:
NEW YORK - Boeing Co's (BA) new carbon-composite 787
Dreamliner plane may turn out to be unsafe and could lead to
more deaths in crashes, according to a report by veteran
journalist Dan Rather to be broadcast in the United States
on Tuesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297248,00.html
Oooooo.... This is gonna get ugly.

I wonder how much Airbus is paying this guy?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.


Who certifies it??
Oh, the FAA
They are real objective(Cough,Spew,Hurl)

The chances of the FAA shutting down Boeing and the 787 is
about the same chance monkeys will fly out my ass at midnight

Certified? You mean by the same folks that certified the Cessnas with fuel
caps that ingested water, the 737 with a goosey rudder, the 747 with
exploding fuel tanks, the Electras that shed wings every now and again, the
727s that hit a critical angle of attack and started digging giant gopher
holes...

You've got more faith in those yahoos than I do. So far as I'm concerned,
they couldn't find their hineys with both hands in a phone booth with a GPS.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford



Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.

On Sep 19, 12:15 pm, "RST Engineering"
wrote:
Certified? You mean by the same folks that certified the Cessnas with fuel
caps that ingested water, the 737 with a goosey rudder, the 747 with
exploding fuel tanks, the Electras that shed wings every now and again, the
727s that hit a critical angle of attack and started digging giant gopher
holes...

You've got more faith in those yahoos than I do. So far as I'm concerned,
they couldn't find their hineys with both hands in a phone booth with a GPS.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford





Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jim,

The 737 rudder problem was a condition that was missed by the vendor
that designed it, by the cognizant engineers at Boeing, and by the
FAA. There was nothing obvious about this problem and lots of testing
at Boeing failed to reveal it during the original certification
program. The actual occurence of the 737 rudder problem in the field
was very rare, and required a specific set of conditions for it to
occur. Once the cause of the crashes was traced to the rudder control
valve assembly, Boeing took immediate steps to retrofit the entire
fleet, and provided a specific set of instructions for flight crews to
take in the event of a problem until the units could be replaced. Are
you saying that Boeing knowingly put a defective system in the field?
I don't believe that to be true... Sometimes things go wrong despite
the best efforts of the design engineers to get it right.

Which yahoo's are you referring to? If its the FAA, I can kind of see
your point, but if you mean Boeing, I have to say that knowing a lot
of the people working in the 787 personally, and from my past
association with the company, I don't believe that Boeing is going to
push a design into the field that is as unsafe as this guy is
claiming. Boeing typically designs with wider margins than Airbus
from what I have seen.

As for throwing rocks at the FAA, that is an easy target...

Dean

Well, since I mentioned Cessna and Lockheed as well as Boeing, and since all
the manufacturer does is supply data and the other guys do the
certification, which yahoos do you THINK I'm talking about.

No, nobody in their right senses puts a defective product on the market for
several reasons, ethics and lawsuits are two of them.

BTW, did you READ the letter the retired Boeing engineer wrote? Did you
understand what he was getting at?

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford


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On Sep 19, 12:15 pm, "RST Engineering"
wrote:
Certified? You mean by the same folks that certified the Cessnas with
fuel
caps that ingested water, the 737 with a goosey rudder, the 747 with
exploding fuel tanks, the Electras that shed wings every now and again,
the
727s that hit a critical angle of attack and started digging giant gopher
holes...

You've got more faith in those yahoos than I do. So far as I'm
concerned,
they couldn't find their hineys with both hands in a phone booth with a
GPS.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford





Which yahoo's are you referring to? If its the FAA, I can kind of see
your point, but if you mean Boeing, I have to say that knowing a lot
of the people working in the 787 personally, and from my past
association with the company, I don't believe that Boeing is going to
push a design into the field that is as unsafe as this guy is
claiming. Boeing typically designs with wider margins than Airbus
from what I have seen.

As for throwing rocks at the FAA, that is an easy target...

Dean

Simply more horse **** from ol Dan... I wonder if the nursing home
knows what he's up to now... sigh...

"There, there Dan let’s wipe the Gerber’s from your mouth and then
we’ll change your Depend..."

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:52:30 -0700, wrote:

On Sep 19, 9:17 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:09 am, FredGarvinMaleProstitute

wrote:
NEW YORK - Boeing Co's (BA) new carbon-composite 787
Dreamliner plane may turn out to be unsafe and could lead to
more deaths in crashes, according to a report by veteran
journalist Dan Rather to be broadcast in the United States
on Tuesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297248,00.html

Oooooo.... This is gonna get ugly.

I wonder how much Airbus is paying this guy?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.

writes:

Don't worry, I fully expect Boeing to be able to defend their design
with test data. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to get it
certified.

Unfortunately, test data do not always accurately predict real life.

Boeing would be slitting its own throat by cooking the books on this one, but
time will tell. The lure of the almighty dollar can be very strong,
especially over the short term (one fiscal quarter to the next).