"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:03 am, BlackBeard wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:19 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:



You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.
That is probably true. They will target everything from Humvees,
C-130's, and the Osprey. What is the point in that statement? They
will target anything to hurt us.
The sad thing is that some of the most outspoken critics of the
Osprey, some of our own citizens and members of this group, seem to be
hoping for it only to bolster their argument against it.
As I said before, every platform out there has weaknesses, there is
nothing, repeat nothing in our arsenal that can't be killed. Men will
die in the Osprey, it is going to happen. Who in this group is going
to find that to be a good event and use it to say "I told you so?" I
can think of a couple that will. And they disgust me.

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...

David Markley decided that my offering an "early warning" to those who
post in this group was some form of "rooting for American soldiers to
die". Far from it, the more the V-22 flies milk runs, the sooner some
bright type will work out a means of hitting it in the air or on the
ground.
Jack, my name is Dean. And I didn't decide anything. I merely stated
that your writing made it sound like you were rooting for American
soldiers to die. I know what you mean now that you have clarified it.
However your original writing was NOT that clear.

Dean

On Feb 7, 4:30 pm, "Dean A. Markley" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:03 am, BlackBeard wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:19 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.
That is probably true. They will target everything from Humvees,
C-130's, and the Osprey. What is the point in that statement? They
will target anything to hurt us.
The sad thing is that some of the most outspoken critics of the
Osprey, some of our own citizens and members of this group, seem to be
hoping for it only to bolster their argument against it.
As I said before, every platform out there has weaknesses, there is
nothing, repeat nothing in our arsenal that can't be killed. Men will
die in the Osprey, it is going to happen. Who in this group is going
to find that to be a good event and use it to say "I told you so?" I
can think of a couple that will. And they disgust me.

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...

David Markley decided that my offering an "early warning" to those who
post in this group was some form of "rooting for American soldiers to
die". Far from it, the more the V-22 flies milk runs, the sooner some
bright type will work out a means of hitting it in the air or on the
ground.

Jack, my name is Dean. And I didn't decide anything. I merely stated
that your writing made it sound like you were rooting for American
soldiers to die. I know what you mean now that you have clarified it.
However your original writing was NOT that clear.

Dean

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.

I deal in realism, there seems to be a heavy air of fantasy about the
V-22 in this group. You know Cheney tried to get it canceled? It's
made in too many congressional districts. Mainly in Texas.

In message
,
Typhoon502 writes
On Feb 7, 8:40*am, Vince wrote:

This turkey is the same weight and HP as a Ch-53 with a small fraction
of the payload

Plus a hell of a lot more speed and range. Which, IIRC, is the entire
point behind the tiltrotor, that it can go faster and further than
conventional helos.

Trouble is, that lets you drop light infantry a lot further ahead of the
FEBA than ever before, without artillery or combat vehicles. If the
enemy is in the mood for a fight, the tactical models are places like
Arnhem or Dien Bien Phu...

That's not a particular technical fault of the V-22, it's a problem of
finding a role for it that justifies the cost.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com

Vince wrote:
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:

Next will be the post office needing Ferrari mail trucks to move the
mail faster

Vince



It might help. My mail delivery is rather slow actually. A Mail truck
with a V-12 And paddle shifters would be kinda cool. :-)


2-3 million a pop and you've got it

I can sense the marine corps brass salivating right now

Vince


They can't do that..

Ferrari's should be red...

The white or black ones are bad enough (and as for the yellow ones). But
military "green" ...

Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message
,
Typhoon502 writes
On Feb 7, 8:40 am, Vince wrote:

This turkey is the same weight and HP as a Ch-53 with a small fraction
of the payload

Plus a hell of a lot more speed and range. Which, IIRC, is the entire
point behind the tiltrotor, that it can go faster and further than
conventional helos.

Trouble is, that lets you drop light infantry a lot further ahead of the
FEBA than ever before, without artillery or combat vehicles. If the
enemy is in the mood for a fight, the tactical models are places like
Arnhem or Dien Bien Phu...

That's not a particular technical fault of the V-22, it's a problem of
finding a role for it that justifies the cost.

It has more speed but not more range with any given payload


Vince

On Feb 7, 5:01 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:30 pm, "Dean A. Markley" wrote:



Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:03 am, BlackBeard wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:19 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.
That is probably true. They will target everything from Humvees,
C-130's, and the Osprey. What is the point in that statement? They
will target anything to hurt us.
The sad thing is that some of the most outspoken critics of the
Osprey, some of our own citizens and members of this group, seem to be
hoping for it only to bolster their argument against it.
As I said before, every platform out there has weaknesses, there is
nothing, repeat nothing in our arsenal that can't be killed. Men will
die in the Osprey, it is going to happen. Who in this group is going
to find that to be a good event and use it to say "I told you so?" I
can think of a couple that will. And they disgust me.

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...

David Markley decided that my offering an "early warning" to those who
post in this group was some form of "rooting for American soldiers to
die". Far from it, the more the V-22 flies milk runs, the sooner some
bright type will work out a means of hitting it in the air or on the
ground.

Jack, my name is Dean. And I didn't decide anything. I merely stated
that your writing made it sound like you were rooting for American
soldiers to die. I know what you mean now that you have clarified it.
However your original writing was NOT that clear.

Dean

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.

I deal in realism, there seems to be a heavy air of fantasy about the
V-22 in this group. You know Cheney tried to get it canceled? It's
made in too many congressional districts. Mainly in Texas.

A song from Vietnam that sounds familiar

Goodnight Saigon

We met as soul mates on Parris Island, we left as inmates from an
asylum
And we were sharp, as sharp as knives, & we were so gung ho to lay
down our lives
We came in spastic like tameless horses, we left in plastic as
numbered corpses
And we learned fast to travel light, our arms were heavy but our
bellies were tight

We had no home front, we had no soft soap
They sent us Playboy, they gave us Bob Hope
We dug in deep and shot on sight and prayed to Jesus Christ with all
of our might
We had no cameras to shoot the landscape
We passed the hash pipe and played our Doors tapes
And it was dark, so dark at night night night night
And we held onto each other, like brother to brother
We promised our mothers we'd write

And we would all go down together
We said we'd all go down together, yes, we would all go down together

Remember Charlie, remember Baker, they left their childhood on every
acre
And who was wrong and who was right right right right
It didn't matter in the thick of the fight

We held the day in the palm of our hand
They ruled the night and the night seemed to last as long as...

Six weeks on Parris Island we held the coastline, they held the
highlands
And they were sharp, as sharp as knives knives knives knives
They heard the hum of our motors, they counted the rotors & waited for
us to arrive

And we would all go down together
We said we'd all go down together, yes, we would all go down together

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:52:26 -0500, Vince wrote:


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?


I got irelevant bull**** claims

Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've
studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s.

I call BS.

If you had studied military logistics you would have noticed when me
and red began making fun of you.

In fact every one of your posts did nothing but drive home the point
that you do not have the first clue about logistics.

Liar.


--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:52:26 -0500, Vince wrote:


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?

I got irelevant bull**** claims

Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've
studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s.

I call BS.

If you had studied military logistics you would have noticed when me
and red began making fun of you.


I noticed and ignored you making a fool of yourself


In fact every one of your posts did nothing but drive home the point
that you do not have the first clue about logistics.


more personal abuse from the persons with no facts


Vince

Ponce wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:52:26 -0500, Vince wrote:


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?

I got irelevant bull**** claims

Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've
studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s.

I call BS.

If you had studied military logistics you would have noticed when me
and red began making fun of you.


I noticed and ignored you making a fool of yourself

In fact every one of your posts did nothing but drive home the point
that you do not have the first clue about logistics.


more personal abuse from the persons with no facts

so you admit that your posts are just mental masturbation on your part....

your therapist will be pleased at this breakthrough, although we've known
it for years. after today's political news i needed a good laugh. thanks for
providing it at your expense.

i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in Iraq
is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you did that?
i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise.

redc1c4,
your knowledge of logistical matters isn't even power point deep. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

redc1c4 wrote:
Ponce wrote:
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:52:26 -0500, Vince wrote:


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?
I got irelevant bull**** claims

Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've
studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s.
I call BS.

If you had studied military logistics you would have noticed when me
and red began making fun of you.

I noticed and ignored you making a fool of yourself

In fact every one of your posts did nothing but drive home the point
that you do not have the first clue about logistics.

more personal abuse from the persons with no facts

so you admit that your posts are just mental masturbation on your part....


more abuse form the contentless poster

your therapist will be pleased at this breakthrough, although we've known
it for years. after today's political news i needed a good laugh. thanks for
providing it at your expense.

i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in Iraq
is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you did that?
i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise.

then repeat them

please show how no outposts in Iraq are suppleid only by air

Vince