Russian Military Technology

The whole suggestion that KAL 700 was a spy plane has been thoroughly
discredited. I doubt even the Communist leadership ever seriously believed
that line but they needed a good story to cover up the ineptitude of the
Soviet AF. It's really quite sad that they allowed an unidentified aircraft
to meander through the Motherland's air space for several hours then
couldn't even correctly identify it as a civilian aircraft when they did
finally manage to locate it.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
(B2431) wrote
KAL 007 ring a bell?
If you are going to bash be fair about it.
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

KAL 007

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.

Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.

Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wm...c/ss25_001.jpg

After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/...shots/atom.gif
http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wm...s_aviation.jpg

America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.

Q: What is a "happy" American ?
A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Magno

"Jarg" wrote
The whole suggestion that KAL 700 was a spy plane has been thoroughly
discredited.

If I were a "happy" and chicken american, I would had denied it, too.

Sending women and children in a passanger aircraft to do a man's job.
Sounds jewish to me.

Are you from Jewmerica ?

Magno
http://www.imperium-europa.org

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
(B2431) wrote
KAL 007 ring a bell?
If you are going to bash be fair about it.
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

KAL 007

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.

Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.

Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wm...c/ss25_001.jpg

After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/...shots/atom.gif
http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wm...s_aviation.jpg

America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.

Q: What is a "happy" American ?
A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Sigh. Another WorldWideWierdo. PLONK.

Brooks

Magno

He does seem to have some mental health issues, but I think it better to try
to respond to his crazy statements just to give the uninformed some
perspective.

Jarg

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
t...

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
(B2431) wrote
KAL 007 ring a bell?
If you are going to bash be fair about it.
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

KAL 007

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.

Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.

Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wm...c/ss25_001.jpg

After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/...shots/atom.gif
http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg


http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wm...s_aviation.jpg

America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.

Q: What is a "happy" American ?
A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Sigh. Another WorldWideWierdo. PLONK.

Brooks

Magno

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.

Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.

I been on overflights over Soviet land on recon missions and I don't recall the
Soviets being able to do anything to stop us. No women or chidren in the
aircraft with us either - so I guess the "chicken****" aspect here is all
yours. Just because YOU would be too chicken to do such a thing, doesn't mean
everyone is that spineless.

Gordon

(Alejandro Magno)


(B2431) wrote
KAL 007 ring a bell?
If you are going to bash be fair about it.
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

KAL 007

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.


Actually the Soviet's air defense confused KAL 007 with an RC-135 that had
already left the vicinity. You beloved Soviet's plan to shoot first and ask
questions later resulted in the deaths of civilians. Your heroes were so proud
of what they did they hid the evidence.

The entire incident would not have occured if your Soviets didn't weren't in
the habit of shooting aircraft down.

Name one time the U.S. shot down a Soviet aircraft in U.S. air space.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

(B2431) wrote in message ...

Actually the Soviet's air defense confused KAL 007 with an RC-135 that had
already left the vicinity. You beloved Soviet's plan to shoot first and ask
questions later resulted in the deaths of civilians. Your heroes were so
proud of what they did they hid the evidence.

The Korean pilot received 3 warnings.
1) Radio communication. He did not respond. Pilot deaf.
2) Su-15 making manouvers in front of the Korean plane, pilot blind.
3) Su-15 firing his cannon to warn the Korean pilot. Pilot deaf and blind.

Name one time the U.S. shot down a Soviet aircraft in U.S. air space.

None, American technology can only shoot their own civilian aircraft, TWA 800.

Magno

I went to the fights and all of the sudden a hockey game broke out.

Afghanistan just ratified a new constitution.
Saddam is in jail and power will be turned over to the Iraqis in just 6
months time.
Libya has dismantled its WMD
There may be potential for friendly dialogue with Iran.

With each country that joins the family of nations, more attention is
focused on the remaining few.

If Iran decides to behave in a civilised manner, then we have to look closer
at North Korea. Cuba and Venezuela come next. Then we have to do some
cleanup on Syria and whatever troublemakers remain out there.

Has Bush made Americans safer since 9/11? You betcha. There's still lots
more to do though.

I don't think Dean the Daschle clone is going to have a chance against Bush
to be honest. Neither Bush or Dean are very likable but Bush has proven he
gets things done. Dean is just the loudmouth schoolyard bully. He didn't
accomplish anything in Vermont. If Al Gore was president, he would have
fired a couple cruise missiles into the Indian Ocean and proclaimed victory
over the Taliban and Saddam.

If Al Gore was president, both repressive regimes would still be in power.

If must rile all you ultra-liberal Euro-socialists to know that in the big
scheme of things, it is the US that controls your destiny.

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...

Mother Russia is 1,500 years old and she has never been defeated.

Actually, "Mother Russia" wasn't a state until about 1400 AD. That would
make them about 600 years old.

As for defeated, I note you avoid the Tartars kicking ass and occupying
'Russia" for nearly 250 years.

Catherine the Great was a great woman. I wish we could have more like
her.

Umm, Catherine was GERMAN. She ruled over your precious Russians and was
the best they had until the Revolution.

(robert arndt) wrote
Thanks for amusing us with that cleverly documented joke Alejandro.
Now the facts. No funding, no fuel, no pay for your troops, rotting
rusted navy, non-flying aircraft, electronic obsolescence, reduced to
third place arms exporters, no supersoldier program, no firearms
replacements, no new tanks, aircraft, etc... except a few new subs and
missiles that hopefully won't explode while undergoing sea trials. Add
to this the botched theater rescue, the inability to stop terorist
bombings in Moscow, and the inability to control Chechnya... wow!
Newest thing the Russian Army did for its troops was throw a "beauty
contest" to recruit women! Nice.
Rob

http://www.russianeconomy.org/comments.html

Russia has a flat-tax system of 13%. America has a progresive
(communist) fiscal system.

How is the US Dollar doing ?

1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro

In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.

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The Sunday Telegraph (UK)
4 January 2004
Why they're rushing into Russia
By Liam Hannigan
Liam Halligan is Economics Correspondent at Channnel Four News

Had you invested in the Russian stock market at this time last year,
you would be sitting, in dollar terms, on a tidy 50 per cent profit.
But had you sold those same Russian investments back in October, after
10 months rather than 12, you would have made even more, reaping
closer to 70 per cent.

What happened in October was the dramatic arrest, at gunpoint, of
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, who was chief executive of
the oil giant Yukos.

One of the controversial "oligarchs" who grabbed immense wealth during
the chaotic and often lawless privatisations of the mid-1990s,
Khodorkovsky had taken to bankrolling parties opposed to the Kremlin
and had therefore become a nuisance to President Putin.

The decision to jail him - on charges of tax evasion - raised eyebrows
among the international investors who dominate Russia's stock market.

For a few weeks shares fell, amid talk of "renationalisation" and a
return to the "bad old days" of post-Communist chaos. But investor
unease is starting to evaporate. Having flinched, the money men are
focusing on Russia's new and coveted "investment grade" credit rating
from Moody's.

No matter that Khodorkovsky will remain in jail at least until late
March (or after the presidential elections that are likely to give
Putin a second term), the Russian market should continue to surge this
year because there are many good reasons to put money into the
economy.

The obvious draw is the booming economy. Having spluttered since the
break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia is getting into gear. The closely
watched Moscow Narodny Bank manufacturing and services indices broke
records last month, pointing to gross domestic product growth of 8 per
cent.

The economic performance has been "awesome", according to the latest
analysis by UBS investment bank. "A conservative fiscal policy, huge
external surpluses and rapidly rising incomes have combined with
higher productivity and tax reform to transform Russia into one of the
most dynamic emerging markets," it says.

Since the 1998 rouble collapse, economic management has improved no
end. Inflation has been squeezed and hard currency reserves hit a
fresh high last month, despite fears that Khodorkovsky's arrest would
spark a flight of capital.

Sceptics say this success has been too dependent on high oil prices.
Russia emerged during 2003 as the world's leading crude exporter,
ahead of Saudi Arabia. And at near $30-a-barrel oil, Russia's energy
giants - the likes of Lukoil, Gazprom and Sibneft - have bolstered
equities overall.

But the likelihood is that continued global recovery should boost
energy demand in 2004 too, particularly in Asia, keeping oil prices
firm. If that happens - and expected Opec quota cuts suggest it will -
Russia's energy sector will deliver anew for investors.

"The big commodities outfits here are simply faster growing and better
value than any similar companies in the world," says Mattias Westman,
the co-founder of Prosperity Capital Management, which runs several
Russia-dedicated funds.

You can see his point: Gazprom boasts a third of the world's known gas
reserves, and yet is valued at only $20bn (a fraction of what a
comparable Western company, if there were such a thing, would be
worth).

Meanwhile, there is momentum beyond energy. "The oil and gas sectors
are shamed by the rates of growth in consumer spending, retail and
services," says Roland Nash, the head of Research at the Moscow-based
Renaissance Capital. "Each day that passes makes the economy a little
less vulnerable to oil shocks."

Impressive non-oil growth is seen in telecoms. Higher incomes mean 23
per cent of Russians now have mobile phones, up from just 10 per cent
last year. Vimplecom, a major operator, has posted a 78 per cent rise
in third-quarter profits. Russian telecoms, along with utilities,
offer investment opportunities.

So while the pre-trial incarceration of Khodorkovsky should not be
regarded as irrelevant, international investors are more impressed by
Putin's economic record than they are outraged by a bit of oligarch
bashing. Anyway, investing in emerging economies has never been for
the squeamish.

Russia's new generation of billionaires such as Khodorkovsky are not
heroes of the narod, or ordinary voters. Keeping him in jail for the
presidential campaign will probably help Putin win more votes - and
the unedifying truth in a country not famous for stable democracy is
that that will probably add a few more points to the stock market.