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Morgans added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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I can't believe you actually
gave Hussein a trial!
I believe that it was Iraq that gave him a trial, not the US.

They would really like Iraq to stand on its own two feet. Of
course, they would like them to be democratic, secular feet,
with a few military bases in the country, too. ;-)

Had not the U.S. forced the Iraqis to put Saddam on trial before
the entire world, they would have meted out the traditional
punishment for despots like him - stoning to death. As to the last
paragraph, President Bush probably has been over zealous in
promoting these ideals, but then, we all know this is about oil,
right?

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

®i©ardo added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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I can't believe you actually
gave Hussein a trial!

I believe that it was Iraq that gave him a trial, not the
US.

They would really like Iraq to stand on its own two feet. Of
course, they would like them to be democratic, secular feet,
with a few military bases in the country, too. ;-)

Shh, don't mention the oil and gas reserves!

We have spent over a trillion dollars on this nonsense so far but
are too stupid to demand that the Iraqis, whom we saved, pay any of
it back. Were I president, I'd demand that the United States get
every dime of the estimated $80B/year in oil profits until the
trillion is paid back. In this world there is no free lunch. And,
did I mention that over 4,100 have died for a country that still
basically hates us and another 30,000 maimed for life. Plus, wounds
on this battlefield aren't simple bullets but blown off limbs from
IEDs. But, you are right about the oil - that's what this is really
about. Of course, we could eliminate our dependence on foreign oil
to the tune of $700B+ per year by the simple act of inflating our
tires and getting tune-ups on our cars, or so the Marxist/pacifist
running for president said many times.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:33:02 -0500, "HEMI-Powered"
wrote:

Peter Hucker added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Well-founded patriotism is not childish nor is it
old-fashioned. What is childish is the brand of national pride
many countries practice far in excess of their
accomplishments. Were it not for the United States and Great
Britain, there would be no free Europe today. Were it not for
the United States standing almost alone, western Europe would
have been overrun by the Warsaw Pact. And today, were it not
for the United States there would be no effective military
to counter modern style agression.

What I haven't seen is the US using it's military very
effectively in recent times. They've gone all soft. I can't
believe you actually gave Hussein a trial!

If you mean Iraq, I'd agree that our military hasn't been used
effective. But, the initial war in 2003 was over in only 3 weeks.
And, I take great umbrage to foreigners who have no stake in this
disparaging the brave men and women who wear our uniforms in the
defense of freedom everywhere so I don't appreciate people who
say we've gone soft.

The whole world has gone soft. They've forgotten the meaning of the
word "enemy". Giving an evil dictator a fair trial was just crass
stupidity.

I judge by the tone of your reply that you're a foreigner. Fine.
Now, how about discussing your country's recent successes and
failures in the War on Terror.

We're just as soft as you lot. I'd blow up the whole of Iraq.

At best, no country in the
coalition has deployed more than 5-10% of the US presence. As to
Saddam, it is necessary for our allies and those who are neutral
in the region to know that we stand for democracy and we stand
for fairness. To have sumarily executed Saddam, which many of us
would have preffered, would only serve to lower the United
States to the level of its enemies. You may recall that a great
deal of effort was taken by the Allies in WWII at both Nuremburg
and in trials for the Japs. That is necessary for countries that
want to claim that they are fair even to their enemies.

As to the rest of the world's military, outside Russia and China,
and maybe North Korea, the Western democracies have all gutted
their armies, navies, and air forces in order to save money and
divert it into social programs they deem more important. What I
wonder about is what would happen if the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben
were destroyed as was the World Trade Center. France and Great
Britain no longer have long-range strategic armed forces to
counter such a threat which leads most observers to think that
they can rely on the United States.

If Sen. McCain is elected president in November, there's a chance
our allies could count on us to help them if they're attacked but
if Sen. Obama becomes president, I think we can rely on him
gutting the military by tens of billions of dollars, recalling
troops from all over the world, and attempting to talk our
enemies down. Again, like Europe's Socialist states, Obama would
do this - and he has promised to do so for over a year - and he
would attempt to pay for his Big Government cradle to grave
programs with the presumed savings from gutting our military.

If history has shown us anything at all, it is that maintaining a
strong military is of paramont importance to deterring attacks or
major agression either on the United States per se or in any of
the world's hot spots.
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A few minutes later, the pilot asked the flight attendants if everyone was buckled in and ready.
"All set back here, Captain," came the reply, "except one lawyer who is still going around passing out business cards."

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:41:21 -0500, "HEMI-Powered"
wrote:

Morgans added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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I can't believe you actually
gave Hussein a trial!
I believe that it was Iraq that gave him a trial, not the US.

They would really like Iraq to stand on its own two feet. Of
course, they would like them to be democratic, secular feet,
with a few military bases in the country, too. ;-)

Had not the U.S. forced the Iraqis to put Saddam on trial before
the entire world, they would have meted out the traditional
punishment for despots like him - stoning to death. As to the last
paragraph, President Bush probably has been over zealous in
promoting these ideals, but then, we all know this is about oil,
right?

A stoning would have been preferable.
--
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Girl with skirt up run faster than boy with trousers down!!

"Peter Hucker" wrote

A stoning would have been preferable.

No argument from me, but he had much more painful ways to torture people,
ending in death. One of those would have been appropriate.
--
Jim in NC

Peter Hucker added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

If you mean Iraq, I'd agree that our military hasn't been used
effective. But, the initial war in 2003 was over in only 3
weeks. And, I take great umbrage to foreigners who have no
stake in this disparaging the brave men and women who wear our
uniforms in the defense of freedom everywhere so I don't
appreciate people who say we've gone soft.

The whole world has gone soft. They've forgotten the meaning
of the word "enemy". Giving an evil dictator a fair trial was
just crass stupidity.

The only "crass stupidity" here is you. You and the other
pacifist non-contibutor countries should know better than to
actually follow advise this disingenuous and nonsensical.

I judge by the tone of your reply that you're a foreigner.
Fine. Now, how about discussing your country's recent
successes and failures in the War on Terror.

We're just as soft as you lot. I'd blow up the whole of Iraq.

What Socialist country do you live in? I hardly think the United
States is soft, has gone soft, nor ever been soft, but I can't
say the same for the Canadians, French, Germans, or even the
Brits. And, countries such as Belgium, Norway, Sweden, and the
like never have had a credible military.

Now, wrt Iraq, I'd personally have followed a friend's advice -
"turn the desert sand into glass".

I am well past sick and tired of foreigners who do no-thing to
defend freedom and haven't since maybe WWII telling my country
what to do and what not to do, meddling in our internal affairs,
and disparaging the brave men and women who defend her with their
lives. Apparently, you're so ashamed of your country that you
won'd even say which Socialist state it is. Fine, just stay on
your side of the pond.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

Peter Hucker added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Had not the U.S. forced the Iraqis to put Saddam on trial
before the entire world, they would have meted out the
traditional punishment for despots like him - stoning to
death. As to the last paragraph, President Bush probably has
been over zealous in promoting these ideals, but then, we all
know this is about oil, right?

A stoning would have been preferable.

Since we're on the subject of what we think personally vs. what is
prudent for our governments to do, I would have paraded Saddam
through the streets of Baghdad, later turn him over to its
citizens, and let them do what they want, which would have been to
kill him in the most gruesome manner possible. But, I like to think
I live in a civil, compassionate country which values fairness and
which also does not want extreme measures used by our military
people who might get captured. The only way to ensure that the
world believes we practice what we preach is to follow
international law as well as American law and the Constitution.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

Morgans added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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A stoning would have been preferable.

No argument from me, but he had much more painful ways to
torture people,
ending in death. One of those would have been appropriate.

Torture is one thing, execution is another. But, wrt stoning,
Goggle a little and find out what this is really like. It is a
slow, extremely painful, agonizing way to die not at all like the
human hanging Saddam really received.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
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"®i©ardo" wrote in message
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Alan Erskine wrote:
If it wasn't for the U.S., we wouldn't need an anti-terrorist defence.
LOL!

Oh, but it's true; if the United States and the (then) Soviet Union hadn't
spent the litterally *hundreds of billions of dollars* that took the form
of military equipment, and instead built schools, hospitals, universities,
water purification systems and.... good will.... we wouldn't have the
organisations that think we are all the same - the U.S. and Australia.

Instead, the U.S. has a memory problem - did you know that the Taliban
were supported by the U.S.? And before that, the U.S. supported the
Mujahadin?

Also, it is to be remembered that in recent years, terrorism has struck
Russia - Chechnya is only part of that and Chechnya is often the
'whipping-boy' of Russia, along with Georgia (as has been seen in recent
weeks). There have been Soviet aircraft highjackings as well.

Did you know that the U.K (United Kingdom) created Israel out of territory
it had occupied for many years?

Is it any wonder that 'we' are thrown in the same barrel as America?

I'm not saying any of the decisions listed above were wrong, but if the
U.S. in particular had not used the Middle East as a testing ground for
its military equipment (remember the C-5 flights to 'support' Israel in
the early '70's?), the rest of us would not be suffering as we are.

'We' suffer because we are friendly with America. Note that I say
"friendly" - just like all most people are with their domestic
neighbours - friendly, not necessarily friends.

Now; Glenn was not being insulting to America as that idiot
("HEMI-Powered") suggested. That idiot has been in other groups doing the
same thing - stirring up trouble for no other reason. Glenn was simply
making a comment that he was not at home. Glenn wasn't referring to
America, but all the countries he visited.

It wasn't an insult, it was a joke.
We all know that. I see in one of his posts about the election that he has a
very one sided political view. I think he's racist :-)

I like America and Americans;. I don't understand how he drew the fact that
I somehow targeted him when I recall posting images from the USA and the UK
at the same time.

Any body know which episode of Springer this Hemi guy has been on. I'd like
to see what he looks like ;-)

Now Hemi, that was a joke as well but maybe..........It wasn't ;-)

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:37:09 -0500, "HEMI-Powered"
wrote:

Peter Hucker added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

If you mean Iraq, I'd agree that our military hasn't been used
effective. But, the initial war in 2003 was over in only 3
weeks. And, I take great umbrage to foreigners who have no
stake in this disparaging the brave men and women who wear our
uniforms in the defense of freedom everywhere so I don't
appreciate people who say we've gone soft.

The whole world has gone soft. They've forgotten the meaning
of the word "enemy". Giving an evil dictator a fair trial was
just crass stupidity.

The only "crass stupidity" here is you. You and the other
pacifist non-contibutor countries should know better than to
actually follow advise this disingenuous and nonsensical.

You lot are pacifists for not killing him.

I judge by the tone of your reply that you're a foreigner.
Fine. Now, how about discussing your country's recent
successes and failures in the War on Terror.

We're just as soft as you lot. I'd blow up the whole of Iraq.

What Socialist country do you live in?

What are you talking about?

I hardly think the United
States is soft, has gone soft, nor ever been soft,

You didn't kill Hussain.

but I can't
say the same for the Canadians, French, Germans, or even the
Brits. And, countries such as Belgium, Norway, Sweden, and the
like never have had a credible military.

Now, wrt Iraq, I'd personally have followed a friend's advice -
"turn the desert sand into glass".

Which is what I said above.

I am well past sick and tired of foreigners who do no-thing to
defend freedom and haven't since maybe WWII telling my country
what to do and what not to do, meddling in our internal affairs,
and disparaging the brave men and women who defend her with their
lives. Apparently, you're so ashamed of your country that you
won'd even say which Socialist state it is. Fine, just stay on
your side of the pond.

I thought you knew I was in the UK. The one with the leader that
sucks your president's cock.
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