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#51
May 3rd 04, 04:18 AM
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"You Know Who" wrote in message s.com... In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? It's a matter of faith. 
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#52
May 3rd 04, 04:45 AM
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"Morton Davis" wrote in message news:XGblc.11724$IG1.386923@attbi_s04...
In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured. Not by accepted definitions of torture. Accepted by whom? Aside from which, you seem to be missing the point. -- FF
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#53
May 3rd 04, 04:58 AM
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In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote:
"You Know Who" wrote in message ws.com... In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? It's a matter of faith. Your faith makes you think He's mythical?
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#54
May 3rd 04, 06:20 AM
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You Know Who wrote:
In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message .com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message [snip] Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? A lack of evidence to support the Christians' most basic truth claims. While no one actually disputes the erstwhile existence of ElRon Hubbard, virtually no one outside the $cientology cult seriously believes that he lived up to their collective biography of him. Same with Jesus. There probably *was* a man upon whom the legend was built, but there is no credible evidence that he was a messiah, or even a reasonable facsimile of same. Therefore, "Jesus Christ" is a myth -- even as Pilate was a historical figure. Was Pontius Pilate mythical?
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#55
May 3rd 04, 12:42 PM
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message m... "Morton Davis" wrote in message news:XGblc.11724$IG1.386923@attbi_s04... In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured. Not by accepted definitions of torture. Accepted by whom? Why, the USA, for one. The UN, apparently, for another. The World Court, or whatever the hell they call trhemselves, for another. Unless you an show where they have filed a protest. Aside from which, you seem to be missing the point. YOU HAVE NO POINT. -*MORT*-
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#56
May 3rd 04, 02:29 PM
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news  shlc.18882$kh4.1099061@attbi_s52...Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. :-) !!!!!!
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#57
May 3rd 04, 03:32 PM
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"You Know Who" wrote in message s.com... In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "You Know Who" wrote in message ws.com... In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? It's a matter of faith. Your faith makes you think He's mythical? Why, sure. If faith causes belief, then surely it can cause disbelief.
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#58
May 3rd 04, 04:36 PM
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In talk.politics.guns Ken Smith wrote:
You Know Who wrote: In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message e.com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message [snip] Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? A lack of evidence to support the Christians' most basic truth claims. While no one actually disputes the erstwhile existence of ElRon Hubbard, virtually no one outside the $cientology cult seriously believes that he lived up to their collective biography of him. Same with Jesus. There probably *was* a man upon whom the legend was built, but there is no credible evidence that he was a messiah, or even a reasonable facsimile of same. Therefore, "Jesus Christ" is a myth -- even as Pilate was a historical figure. We're not discussing if He was the Messiah, we're discussing his existence.
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#59
May 3rd 04, 04:37 PM
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In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote:
"You Know Who" wrote in message ws.com... In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "You Know Who" wrote in message ws.com... In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? It's a matter of faith. Your faith makes you think He's mythical? Why, sure. If faith causes belief, then surely it can cause disbelief. So what is your faith that He never existed based on?
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#60
May 3rd 04, 05:44 PM
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You Know Who wrote:
In talk.politics.guns Ken Smith wrote: You Know Who wrote: In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message le.com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message [snip] Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? A lack of evidence to support the Christians' most basic truth claims. While no one actually disputes the erstwhile existence of ElRon Hubbard, virtually no one outside the $cientology cult seriously believes that he lived up to their collective biography of him. Same with Jesus. There probably *was* a man upon whom the legend was built, but there is no credible evidence that he was a messiah, or even a reasonable facsimile of same. Therefore, "Jesus Christ" is a myth -- even as Pilate was a historical figure. We're not discussing if He was the Messiah, we're discussing his existence. The person, or the legend? Jesus the historical man, if indeed he did exist, has disappeared so neatly into the mists of time that we can't be certain whether he did or not. Jesus the legend almost certainly didn't exist.
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