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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... Free market does require a small amount of gov't restriction to ensure competition (oddly, liberal polititions often fight against competition ref unions, anti Walmart, etc). A free market requires government to enforce contracts and keep companies from restricting their competitors (i.e., preventing companies from preventing their competitors from entering the market). That's all. I wonder if Bob ever considered how many farmers are prevented from farming due to his buddies environmental restrictions. Let's see: who can afford to cover those kinds of costs? Gee...big corporate farmers, like ADM? Yeah, we know, Bob; Government will just have to subsidize the "little guys".. That's how ADM got started. |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
Nothing more than anecdotal. The person who told me about the airport being dry said that there are only two refineries in the USA that still make avgas. I haven't tried to confirm that, but given the low volume I would not find this surprising. This excellent video should explain quite clearly (even to the pinheads) why our energy consumption (to include gasoline) is way up and why we are experiencing tight supplies and higher costs. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5&q=roy+beck&h If you have an ounce of intellectual honesty in you will see that government... ands its failure to make good and proper decisions is at fault. Leadership and rational pragmatism is ultimately needed but government has none of it. |
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"ktbr" wrote in message ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5&q=roy+beck&h If you have an ounce of intellectual honesty in you will see that government... ands its failure to make good and proper decisions is at fault. Leadership and rational pragmatism is ultimately needed but government has none of it. Umm..."pragmatism" is where they say "At least he made the trains run on time". Slippery slope to say the least. |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
There is certainly not an oligopoly in the supply of crude oil. I'm not familiar enough with the fuel's market to tell you if there may be further down the chain (distribution, refining, etc). I have heard some suggestions that some oil producers may have been growing through vertical integration (i.e. they don't control the crude but may be creating exclusive channels of distribution). If that is the case, it may be appropriate for the gov't to break them up (as they did with the old AT&T). Oh, great. Lets let the 'great minds' in the Senate decide how to more efficiently explore for, produce and deliver energy to the American people. I can't wait to see how much lower my energy costs are going to be with Ted Kennedy in charge. Free market does require a small amount of gov't restriction to ensure competition (oddly, liberal polititions often fight against competition ref unions, anti Walmart, etc). However, the current ideas being thrown around (Win Fall tax, etc) either show an incredible ignorance that will cost consumers dearly or is simply pandering. Now you are talking sense again. |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Umm..."pragmatism" is where they say "At least he made the trains run on time". Slippery slope to say the least. That was probably not the ideal choice ofevery American... or anyone concerned about why things are getting so screwed up so quickly. |
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ktbr wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote: The US government hasn't generated one watt of electricity or produced one barrel of oil, yet they make more money per gallon of gasoline than the oil companies or gas stations do. And do they re-invest that money in new drilling techniques... alternate energy sources... or exploration...??????? _NO_ What has that got to do with who decides where exploration is allowed and where it is not? That fact that you do not see the relevence merely serves to illustrate just how much of the problem you people are. The fact that you can't make a connection points out how utterly silly your arguments are. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: Bob Fry wrote: "MB" == Matt Barrow writes: MB Got a cite for that? Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for "cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for it. No, it is a sign that the requester thinks the person making the claim is wrong. And, often on the internet this is the case. So when are *you* going to provide any indication that someone (that you can cite) thinks there are proven reserves in ANWR? Sorry that's not how it works. The guy making the claim is the guy that has to back it up. Sorry, but that *is* how it works. NOBODY can provide a cite to an absense of information, which is what Matt is requesting of me. If *he* is correct, he can easily prove it by merely citing a credible source that says there are in fact "proven reserves" in ANWR. (He can't because there are none.) But there is nothing that I or anyone can cite that proves there are no such sources. But the first result of a Google search of "ANWR oil reserves" gives this link. http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm Which in part says, "The Coastal Plain of ANWR's 1002 area is the nation's single greatest onshore oil reserve. The USGS estimates that it contains a mean expected value of 10.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil. Estimates... that makes it, not a "proven reserve", but what is called a "probable reserve". They are guessing based on a lack of drilled wells to demonstrate that there is *any* oil there at all. Does it mention how many wells have been drilled in ANWR to determine if there actually is oil??? One. KPC-1, capped in 1985. To put that into context, the potential daily production from ANWR's 1002 area is larger than the current daily onshore oil production of any of the lower 48 states." But it does *not* say there are any proven reserves in ANWR. If you do exactly the same research on NPR-A, you'll find that while they do list potential reserves in terms of 5% and 95% probability plus a median, for technically recoverable oil just as they do for ANWR, except that for the NPR-A they also specifically list "proven reserves". That is because there have been *many* wells drilled over the past 50 years, and some of them came up with oil. The most interesting part is that the total estimates for ANWR and NPR-A are just about the same. Given that in 50 years of exploration there hasn't been enough oil discovered in NPR-A to result in a single drop of production, one might want to question just how long it would take to find any in ANWR either. The significance is that in both areas geologists say there will only be relatively small pools of oil, rather than any single large pools such as Kuparuk, Prudhoe Bay or West Sak. It might take, as with NPR-A, many years before there is a total worth building infrastructure to produce. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
Forget it, GIg! Davidson IHWITHI has had his ass handed to him in several other groups in the past, but he's like a terminal virus. You make a lot of wild statements that are little more than emotional exaggerations. But you sure don't want to debate facts do you. Loser. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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ktbr wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote: It is hard to keep up with issues that are so far over your head. The reason you think they are not above yours is because your head comes to such a tall point. And that's why I argue with facts and figures, based on knowledge of the topic. And all you do is call names and squeal. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"ktbr" wrote in message ... Floyd L. Davidson wrote: It is hard to keep up with issues that are so far over your head. The reason you think they are not above yours is because your head comes to such a tall point. Forget it! He's a fraud. He doesn't even know how potential reserves are calculated. (HINT: Not necessarily with exploratory wells. Name one "proven reserve" in the US that has not been explored with wells. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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