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Hash: SHA1 RomeoMike wrote: wrote: On Jun 5, 3:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: I suppose it depends on how you define the limits of Marble Canyon. Or how one defines an obnoxious, Google know-it-all. MX sounds like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is." On top of that, it is bad pilots with poor/outdated charts that cause potentially fatal incidents that will ruin GA. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZgFcyBkZmuMZ8L8RAlY1AJ9oOcIjdv+6r8sXC8rUmN Ttu+0kewCgyhKP Ued/x8d+NFWcrXqymjCZ/+w= =HcbE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Marty Shapiro writes:
Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6 months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport that the airport is still really operational as an airport? It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can still land on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It doesn't need a tower or terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable airport. The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there. It's on both charts. Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle? Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed. The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep. What maintenance did a dirt strip require? Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is accepted. You can fly VFR without a flight plan. Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****. In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative. |
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
So your charts are the only ones that are right, and the Arizona state government is wrong? The charts are what I would use if I had to land somewhere. Why is the State suddenly more right than the charts? Do you consult the State before flying, or the charts? Show me at NACO, MyAirplane, or anyplace where a current A/FD exists that has L50. Why is MyAirplane more reliable than an official chart? |
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RomeoMike writes:
MX sounds like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is." Bill Clinton became President. You did not. |
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Marty Shapiro writes:
Had he bothered, he would have found that the airport was closed in December, 2004. It's just a dirt strip. "Open" and "closed" don't have much meaning. |
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Hash: SHA1 Mxsmanic wrote: Marty Shapiro writes: Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6 months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport that the airport is still really operational as an airport? It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can still land on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It doesn't need a tower or terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable airport. There is a HUGE difference between a strip of dirt, and an open, Operational field. According to the owners of the field, The Arizona DOT, it is closed and not to be used for any operations. And you of all people should know that, seeing that you allegedly LIVED in Arizona. It is CLOSED, and therefore not a usable field for anything at all, expect a decent place to put down for an emergency landing. Expect this field to show up shortly at airfields-freeman.com for being Abandoned/Closed. I'm even willing to bet it won't even show up as abandoned on the next sectional. The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there. It's on both charts. How about this. Pull up Skype and call the closest FSS to Tuweep (Prescott FSS). Ask them if Tuweep is an open field. Then report back to us what their answer was. Be sure to put your tail between your legs when you do. Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle? Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed. So you refuse to believe the government, who controls the charts and listings for active fields? You are pathetic. The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep. What maintenance did a dirt strip require? Lessee.. Active listing in A/FDs, for one, magnetic variation for the runway, appropriate calculable runway length/width, MVAs for that area.. Need I go on? Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is accepted. You can fly VFR without a flight plan. Well, no ****. Read what he said. File a flight plan, VFR, IFR or whatever, to L50 with DUATs. And while he may not say it, I will. I'll guaran-damn-tee it won't be accepted. Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****. In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative. I have to agree with him. Your statements are pure unsustantiated bull****. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZmmwyBkZmuMZ8L8RAk/5AJ0dx8+uo0pbDehJjdBOo9caLT78WACgge17 bfXmlKGkzByAIpUqKjriMxE= =ci/d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Hash: SHA1 Mxsmanic wrote: A Guy Called Tyketto writes: So your charts are the only ones that are right, and the Arizona state government is wrong? The charts are what I would use if I had to land somewhere. Why is the State suddenly more right than the charts? Do you consult the State before flying, or the charts? If the state owns the airport (which in the US, the city and/or state's Dept. of Transportation owns and operates the airport) indicates that the field is closed, I would believe the state over old charts. See below for why. Show me at NACO, MyAirplane, or anyplace where a current A/FD exists that has L50. Why is MyAirplane more reliable than an official chart? Because MyAirplane as well as NACO contain the official A/FDs for a given airport. They are also on a more updated cycle than sectionals. A good pilot shall and must ALWAYS have the most recent charts with them. If they don't, they are asking for being blasted by controllers. If the latest A/FDs show a field to be closed, then the sectionals that have the field shown as open are outdated. Therefore, your charts are outdated, and you are wrong. Yet another among countless times 'you are wrong' has to be drilled into your head. Perhaps next time we shouldn't use a statement, but an actual drill. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZmsryBkZmuMZ8L8RApffAJ9cI7182/B7tHrU3X56ql3bRa8jcgCg6Mmj FJzqo8FsypiNZAbiH8TC25I= =MxL9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Hash: SHA1 Mxsmanic wrote: Marty Shapiro writes: Had he bothered, he would have found that the airport was closed in December, 2004. It's just a dirt strip. "Open" and "closed" don't have much meaning. Grasping at straws, Anthony. It's there in black and white. I'll even be generous to you and point you to it: Talk of the Arizona Pilot's Association accepting donations to reopen Tuweep after CLOSU http://www.azpilots.org/tuweep.htm The RAF's talk of Tuweep's CLOSU http://www.recreationalaviationfound...raf/tuweep.htm Bloody hell, they even mention the X's on the strip. Perhaps the heavy metal band Anthrax was right; talking to you is like clapping with one hand. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZm02yBkZmuMZ8L8RAg53AKCvBATkxazmHw86mQFTdW PAO5xjVwCg8KG/ PuObYIuQwQBH/cJHtZ0XU/g= =RQpS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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