cleared, then busted

("Tom S." wrote)
If you could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Mason, and those guys, they
wouldn't poll 5%.


I got'ta think the Hamilton duel would pull a 20 share in the overnights.

--
Montblack
"I like to watch"

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Tom S." wrote)
If you could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Mason, and those guys, they
wouldn't poll 5%.


I got'ta think the Hamilton duel would pull a 20 share in the overnights.

Yeah, but they'd ruin it with repeated slowmo replays, action diagrams,
endless inane commentary...

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
...

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...

I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it
worked
pretty damn well.

You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical
attention
was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford,
but
not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a
non-emergency
MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun).
What did you bet on? What was your ante?

When I tore my ACL last year, it was 12 days from injury to surgery (and
that includes about five days of being chicken**** before going to the
doctor). MRI, a bunch of other tests to make sure I wouldn't croak on the
operating table (EKG, blood work...).

Surgery was five hours (with a cadaver graft) and left four 1/2 inch scars.

Total out of pocket: $50 co-pay and three prescriptions at $10 a pop for
co-pays. We pay a tidy sum for catastrophic coverage, but it's better than
the HMO whorehouse (a facet of government intervention).

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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oh, that's why some elderly Americans have to import medicine from Canada.
:-)


Review the thread.

In a previous article, "Happy Dog" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked
pretty damn well.

You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical attention
was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford, but
not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a non-emergency
MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun).
What did you bet on? What was your ante?

My father had a heart attack a few years ago, near Toronto. He got MRIs,
CAT scans, and surgery, all within a few hours. He was operated on by a
world famous cardiac surgeon who has been profiled on the US science show
"NOVA". Now he gets drugs that would cost thousands of dollars a week.
So far, he's paid exactly $0.00, not counting parking at the doctor's
office.

So I anted my father's life, and won.

Compare and contrast with the US system, where my doctor has twice
referred me to chronic pain specialists only to have the insurance company
turn me down. I've switched insurance companies, but they're all in
collusion to treat chronic pain sufferers as nothing but whiners. Oh, and
they wouldn't pay to treat the depression caused by the chronic pain,
either. They're all a bunch of ****ing *******s, and they have the entire
US political system in their pockets because politics runs on money, and
they've made plenty by denying proper medical care even to those lucky
enough to supposedly have coverage.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
My group's mission statement - 'You want *what* ? By *WHEN* ?'
-- Simon Burr

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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My father had a heart attack a few years ago, near Toronto. He got MRIs,
CAT scans, and surgery, all within a few hours. He was operated on by a
world famous cardiac surgeon who has been profiled on the US science show
"NOVA". Now he gets drugs that would cost thousands of dollars a week.
So far, he's paid exactly $0.00, not counting parking at the doctor's
office.


It's amazing that this can be done with absolutely no cost to anyone.

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...

My father had a heart attack a few years ago, near Toronto. He got MRIs,
CAT scans, and surgery, all within a few hours. He was operated on by a
world famous cardiac surgeon who has been profiled on the US science show
"NOVA". Now he gets drugs that would cost thousands of dollars a week.
So far, he's paid exactly $0.00, not counting parking at the doctor's
office.


It's amazing that this can be done with absolutely no cost to anyone.

Never said it was no cost to anyone. But according to several sources,
Canadians pay less per capita for health care than Americans.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Never said it was no cost to anyone.


No, you didn't. You said he paid nothing. So apparently he pays no taxes
and has paid none sinse the current system was implemented.



But according to several sources,
Canadians pay less per capita for health care than Americans.


You get what you pay for.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:22:36 +0100, Martin Hotze
wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

In short, American health care is better
than Canadian health care.

oh, that's why some elderly Americans have to import medicine from Canada. :-)

The *care* is demonstrably better. Fewer lines, etc. The *drug*
situation is out of control, IMO; the drug companies shifted the cost
of research onto United States customers (and others), since Canada
negotiated its way onto some good longterm prices for medicine.

Personally, I think the price structure for medicine in the U.S. is
rapacious, and being reasonably healthy I don't even have to pay for
any of that stuff. Don't know what the real situation is like in
central Europe, but if my experience was any indicator, acetominophin
and Sudafed was simply not to be found in the apothecaries. People
told me to drink a strong peppermint tea.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
Never said it was no cost to anyone.


No, you didn't. You said he paid nothing. So apparently he pays no taxes
and has paid none sinse the current system was implemented.

So when you have a medical condition, you tell people it cost the sum
total that you and your employer have paid for your medical insurance
through your entire lifetime? No, you count how much EXTRA you paid
because of that medical procedure, in copays, drugs, uncovered procedures,
prosthetics and other costs that you wouldn't have paid if you hadn't had
it.

In the case of my chronic pain, it's in the tens of thousands. In the
case of my dad's heart attack, it's zero.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I got accused of being humorless last night. I'm considering quoting
Lieutenant Commander Data: "Perhaps the joke was not funny."
-- Alan Rosenthal