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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message ... On 19 Jan 2004 05:04:50 -0800, (robert arndt) wrote: None, rpt none, of the yellow cake captured from Germany was used in the US nuclear program. As for "radiological weapons" that is a complete lie. Without an operating reactor you are not going to build "radiological" weapons. Germany was nowhere near building a reactor, much less a bomb. Japan was no closer. Der Fuhrer is dead, get over it. Al Minyard While sympathising with the general tenor of your argument and agreeing that none of the Uranium found its way into the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs its is known that it was added to DOD stocks and likely did indeed up in later weapons. Keith |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: (robert arndt) I believe the Nazi atom scientists were in thoroughly bugged quarters in England at the time the bombs were dropped. They were shocked at how far off they were in their estimations. They knew how far behind the curve they were. Perfectly true, their reaction to the news of the Hiroshima bomb was initially disbelief. They firmly believed they were in the lead and since they 'knew' a bomb was years away there was no way the western allies could have done this. Keith |
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None, rpt none, of the yellow cake captured from Germany was used
in the US nuclear program. As for "radiological weapons" that is a complete lie. Without an operating reactor you are not going to build "radiological" weapons. Germany was nowhere near Actually Germans even tested a Nuclear Bomb,but the name "neutron bomb" has been invented much later. |
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I know you have managed to convince yourself the Nazis, especially your
beloved SS, were the source of all modern technology but ask yourself why you feel the need to constantly refer to classified documents that only you know the The favorite SS man of US,USSR,Germany and Israel seems to be Hans Kammler,co architect of final solution and killer of tens of thousands of forced laborers. THis top Nazi has not been charged with anything up to now and his name only once appeared in allied documents (by mistake I guess) As for uranium the U.S. did capture a U-boat that contained either uranium oxide or enriched uranium depending on whom you believe. Big deal. The U.S. had ample uranium supplies and had been enriching uranium for at least a year. Your At the beginning of april 45 Manhattan project was going nowhere,within two weeks everything suddenly changed. Nazi buddies had no enrichment facilities aproaching the scale of Hanford and Oak Ridge. If the captured Nazi uranium was used in the Little Boy bomb you can't prove it. German centrifuge technology was decades ahead of the rest of the world in 45,so the energy guzzling plants like Hanford and Oak Ridge were already obsolete in 1945,moreover because of their energy saving centrifuge technology Germans did not need big energy supporters like TVA. Little Boy did not only use German uranium it was a bomb "Assembled in USA from German components" As for your contention the SS pigs would have been able to produce a bomb by 1944 you need to provide some evidence. The Nazis did have the "mindpower" they #1 SS pig was undoubletely Hans Kammler but he is only top Nazi that has not been charged anything up to now. He was responsible for german S weapon development and he was co-architect of final solution. I am pretty sure he went to US,instead of gallows. Had the pigs put as much money into the bomb project as the U.S. did I would venture to say Germany would have been bankrupt by 1942 and probably been defeated or forced to sue for peace. There is now way the could have funded the war and the bomb US had to select wrong technology to produce nuclear for a reason,US was a backward country as far as centrifuge technology concerned,problems in development gas centrufuges in US continued even after post WWII so in fifties US research instutitions launched a campaign to bring Dr.Zippe,developer of German and later Soviet centrifuges to US. Serious US centrifuge development startted with the arrival of Dr.Zippe. He is generaly considered as the father of centrifuge development in both Germany,Soviet Union and US (in historical order) you up? Did it ever occur to you those documents may be classified simply to protect sources and methods? Maybe but more likely to avoid loyalty and patent fees. |
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Perfectly true, their reaction to the news of the Hiroshima
bomb was initially disbelief. They firmly believed they were in the lead and since they 'knew' a bomb was years away there was no way the western allies could have done this. Farm Hall was a well the part of misinformation campaign of the victors. First message they want convey was "German Scientist were unable to calculate critical mass" But they had a problem namely according Wehrmact documents a Wehrmact physicist (Deibner)calculated critical mass exactly and reported it to Wehrmact in Feb.42. So apparently German scientists forgat in Farm Hall what they knew in Feb42!!. So this misinformation campaign collapsed but another one launched to replace it namely "Good German scientists (Heisenberg)sabotaged evil Nazis nuclear bomb making plans" This could be good starting point for a Hollywood movie but licht years away from the reality.Heisenberg could not sabotage anything because he was wrong in 41 as he was in 45. Only key person in German nuclear program who might have a reason to sabotage program was Houtermans but his background was very well known,anything less than success would mean sure death for Houtermans and probably for his family. BTW according to pre Farm Hall planning,only two of Farm Hall Guests supposed to leave Farm Hall as free man.,but none of them got jailed. Food for thought. |
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Further still, Germany also knew about the possibilities of a
thermonuclear weapon in 1944 and nuclear power for submarines. One can only wonder what would have happened if Hitler had not persecuted the Jews nor regarded Nazis looked down Einsteinian general relativitivity as Jewish science,but on other hand they considered QM as an Aryan science and supported it pretty well. Nazis attitude towards Jewish physics started to change after Hahn and Meissner splitted atom mainly due efforts of Ohrensorge,who was a true believer of nuclear power both in military and civilian uses and more importantly,could speak directly to Hitler. |
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No its what the German physicists themselves and German records
say. Who else should we listen to if not men like Diebner, Heisenberg etc. All Farm Hall transcripts are edited,even in no portion of edited and carefully selected transcripts you cannot find anything that suggests that Deibner is unaware of A-Bomb. Only conclusion you can draw from transcripts that the relationship between Heisenberg and Diebner must be terrible,they probably hated each other. Who else should you listen other than Deibner ?for example other fathers of German bomb von Ardenne and Houtermans? But they had unfortunately no time to participate in PR efforts of western allies,they were building the Soviet Bomb. Or you might want to check Daily Mail dated 8.9.45 |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... #1 SS pig was undoubletely Hans Kammler but he is only top Nazi that has not been charged anything up to now. He was never found , its hard to try a prisoner you dont have. snip US had to select wrong technology to produce nuclear for a reason,US was a backward country as far as centrifuge technology concerned,problems in development gas centrufuges in US continued even after post WWII so in fifties As they did in all countries, Urenco a joint Dutch, German and UK firm only perfected the technology in the 1960's Prior to that everyone used a combination of diffusion and cyclotron technologies Keith |
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