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"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message ... The regulations says: no person may act as pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft (an aircraft that has a service ceiling or maximum operating altitude, whichever is lower, above 25,000 feet MSL) I don't see any way to read that parenthetical as anything other than a *definition* of "pressurized aircraft". I don't understand what you think it means. (g) Additional training required for operating pressurized aircraft capable of operating at high altitudes. They are defining the conditions under which you must acquire additional training. If you wanted to operate a pressuized aircraft that had a service ceiling of 20,000 ft, then no additional training is needed. |
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I don't have opinions. I just quote from the FAA's web site. They get
to have an opinion too. |
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RST Engineering wrote:
Well, when you DO, come back and entertain us with them. Until then, opinions are like assholes and sex ... everybody has one, and most of them smell. However, there are Chief Council decisions based on these, I just don't have access to them in front of me. Here is the Chief Counsel decision on the matter: --- October 30, l992 Mr. David M. Reid Dear Mr. Reid: Thank you for your letter of June 12, 1992, concerning the logging of pilot-in-command (PIC) time under the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR). In your letter you ask four questions. First, you ask whether there are "any circumstances when, during a normal flight, two Private Pilots may simultaneously act as (and therefore log the time as) Pilot-In-Command?" The answer is two private pilots may not simultaneously act as PIC but they may, under certain circumstances, simultaneously log PIC time. There is a difference between serving as PIC and logging PIC time. PIC, as defined in FAR 1.1, means the pilot responsible for the operation and safety of an aircraft during flight time. FAR 61.51 deals with logging PIC flight time, and it provides that a private or commercial pilot may log as PIC time only that flight time during which he is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which he is rated, or when he is the sole occupant of the aircraft, or when he acts as PIC of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft, or the regulations under which the flight is conducted. It is important to note that FAR 61.51 only regulates the recording of PIC time used to meet the requirements toward a higher certificate, higher rating, or for recent flight experience. Therefore, while it is not possible for two pilots to act as PIC simultaneously, it is possible for two pilots to log PIC flight time simultaneously. PIC flight time may be logged by both the PIC responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during flight time in accordance with FAR 1.1, and by the pilot who acts as the sole manipulator of the controls of the aircraft for which the pilot is rated under FAR 61.51. Enclosed please find two prior FAA interpretations concerning logging of PIC time. We hope that these will be of further assistance to you. In your second question you ask "[h]ow shall two Private Pilots log their flight time when one pilot is under the hood for simulated instrument time and the other pilot acts as safety pilot?" The answer is the pilot who is under the hood may log PIC time for that flight time in which he is the sole manipulator of the controls of the aircraft, provided he is rated for that aircraft. The appropriately rated safety pilot may concurrently log as second in command (SIC) that time during which he is acting as safety pilot. The two pilots may, however, agree prior to initiating the flight that the safety pilot will be the PIC responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during the flight. If this is done, then the safety pilot may log all the flight time as PIC time in accordance with FAR 1.1 and the pilot under the hood may log, concurrently, all of the flight time during which he is the sole manipulator of the controls as PIC time in accordance with FAR 61.51(c)(2)(i). Enclosed please find a prior FAA interpretation concerning the logging of flight time under simulated instrument flight conditions. We hope that this interpretation will be of further assistance to you. In your third question you ask "[d]uring instrument training, how shall a VFR Private Pilot log the following flight time: Pilot-In- Command time, Simulated Instrument time, and Actual Instrument time, when that pilot is...A)...under the hood? B)...in actual instrument conditions? C)...under the hood in actual instrument conditions?" The answer is the VFR private pilot may log all of the flight time you described as PIC flight time under FAR 61.51(c)(2)(i) if he was the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which he is rated. Under FAR 61.51(c)(4) the pilot may log as instrument flight time only that time during which he operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments, under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions. Please note that the FARs do not distinguish between "actual" and "simulated" instrument flight time. Enclosed is a prior FAA interpretation concerning the logging of instrument flight time. We hope this interpretation will further assist you. Finally you ask "[d]oes FAR 61.57 affect how the VFR Private Pilot shall log Pilot-In-Command time during instrument training, either before or after meeting the 6/6/6 requirement, and if so, how?" FAR 61.57 does not affect how a pilot logs PIC time during instrument training; FAR 61.51(c)(2) and (4) govern logging of instrument flight time. FAR 61.57(e) provides currency requirements for acting as PIC under instrument flight rules (IFR) or in weather conditions less than the minimums for visual flight rules (VFR). Enclosed please find a prior FAA interpretation on instrument flight time and FAR 61.57(e). We hope this interpretation will further assist you. We hope this satisfactorily answers your questions. Sincerely, Donald P. Byrne Assistant Chief Counsel Regulations Division Enclosures |
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Now THAT does it for me unless somebody has a later CCO opinion or court
ruling. Jim |
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RST Engineering wrote:
Does anybody have a definitive link to an opinion out of the Chief Counsel's office on the matter? As a matter of fact, yes. http://www.propilot.com/doc/legal3.html |
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Gee.. that sounds like the answer I gave... with the exception on SIC and
the discussion of who is PIC while under the hood.. I brief my "safety" pilot.. that for periods of time when I am under the hood.. he is PIC.. and he can log it as such... when I'm not under the hood.. I am PIC and he is a pax... BT wrote in message oups.com... RST Engineering wrote: Does anybody have a definitive link to an opinion out of the Chief Counsel's office on the matter? As a matter of fact, yes. http://www.propilot.com/doc/legal3.html |
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And the answer you gave was the simple opinion of another pilot. Had you
given a OCC opinion for the rest of us to read (admittedly written AFTER my last briefing on the matter) you could have saved us a lot of time and trouble. You are NOT the definitive answer to a legal question in and of yourself. Jim "BTIZ" wrote in message news:AfUde.9759$fI.7297@fed1read05... Gee.. that sounds like the answer I gave |
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
... [...] You are NOT the definitive answer to a legal question in and of yourself. Nor are you. And yet, you claimed to be, just as you refused to accept other's informed statements on the matter. I guess that makes you both a hypocrite and a chicken. |
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