CAVU and I'm Grounded!

We almost had this scenario when we bought our Cherokee 180 a few months
back. Transponder was out of 24 month inspection. We would need to get it
into our class C airspace.
I called AOPA's legal & they told me, to get the thing to the site for the
inspection, simply turn it off. If that site was within a class C or mode C
veil, then a phone call arrangement could elimate the need for the xponder
for that flight.
Not sure if he was right or not. We had the seller get it done before we
ever took possesion, so I didn't have to worry about it after all.



"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:qw83c.66$Nj.52@fed1read01...
nope... if you have one it must be on...

BT

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:0u43c.504960$I06.5400101@attbi_s01...
But then, around here I would just turn the damned thing off. He
apparently doesn't have that option.

That would make it two FARs you're violating instead of just one.

I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

Boy, I apparently know an awful lot of people that need to be
arrested.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And besides, I like the idea of flying in uncontrolled airspace
squawking VFR, at least the local controller can tell controlled a/c
"there's VFR traffic 4 miles at your 10 o'clock, we're not talking to
him." It's a little safety buffer, assuming you're close enough to be
picked up by their radar.

One time I was prohibited from entering Class C airspace when the
controller determined the error in the xponder's altitude reporting
was greater than the FAR's allowed.

Greg Hopp
N4691X
Cols, OH

(Greg Hopp) writes:

And besides, I like the idea of flying in uncontrolled airspace
squawking VFR, at least the local controller can tell controlled a/c
"there's VFR traffic 4 miles at your 10 o'clock, we're not talking to
him."

Don't count on it. Travis Approach, our local AFB with trainee
controllers, is notorious for being unreliable in pointing out
traffic. One time I was on a head-on collision with another plane,
saw it, evaded, all without a word from Travis.

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:09:52 +0000, john smith wrote:

A Ramp Check is a voluntary submission. If you think you could be
violated for any reason, do not submit to it.

Even if you think you won't be violated it might not be wise to submit to
it.

Don't count on it. Travis Approach, our local AFB with trainee
controllers, is notorious for being unreliable in pointing out
traffic. One time I was on a head-on collision with another plane,
saw it, evaded, all without a word from Travis.

That's happened to me around Chicago many times -- and they aren't trainees
at Chicago Center.

"Flight Following" is only fully functional (meaning any kind of truly
reliable traffic reporting) in the quieter parts of the country, in my
experience. In really busy airspace the controllers are just too harried to
keep an eye out for you.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

BTIZ wrote:

George.. please re read it... is not ClassE controlled airspace?

I'll let someone else tackle that one. I've heard it both ways.

.. and all the time above 10000MSL if you have one?

All the time above 10,000' if you're higher than 2,500 AGL.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

Jay Honeck wrote:
Don't count on it. Travis Approach, our local AFB with trainee
controllers, is notorious for being unreliable in pointing out
traffic. One time I was on a head-on collision with another plane,
saw it, evaded, all without a word from Travis.


That's happened to me around Chicago many times -- and they aren't trainees
at Chicago Center.

Chicago Center has trainees, lots of 'em.

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:36:59 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote:


"Saryon" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:55:16 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:

I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

That's correct. If you have a transponder that's operable, it must be on at all
times when you're in the air.

Even in D, E, and G? 91.215 only references class A, B, and C airspace
and I was under the impression (instructor and the Cessna Cleared for
Takeoff book) that unless you were within those areas (or within the
veil outside of the B) that transponder use was optional.

In any controlled airspace. Read 91.215(c). If you got it, squawk it is the
rule.

Hmm.. Well, it would appear that my book is wrong. Although that
wouldn't be the first time. It says "There are no communication or
equipment requirements for aircraft flying VFR in Class E airspace."
It also says "As far as equipment required to fly inside Class D
airspace - you don't need much. You must have a comm radio so you can
establish two way communications ... and that's all." (Cleared for
Takeoff, page 8-6 and 8-10 respectively, (c) 2002 King Schools). They
go on to specifically mention transponder with altitude reporting for
C, B, and A space. Perhaps the FAR has changed since the publication
of the book?

Chicago Center has trainees, lots of 'em.

Great. You're not inspiring any confidence here, Newps... ;-)

Please tell me that before you can become an ATC trainee at Chicago Center,
you have to first be a controller at some other backwater part of the
country, right?

Or, at the very least, tell me they first assign the trainees to my neck of
the woods, where traffic is relatively light?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Of Course you can!
You would be in violation of FAR 91.215 (c)

But you can do it!

Rich

Jay Honeck wrote:


I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

Boy, I apparently know an awful lot of people that need to be arrested.