Presidential TFR @ Kill Devil Hills

If I remember correctly, McGovern lost 49 or 50 states, or something like
that. His military record would have made no difference. I just think the
irony is interesting.

Michael

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article JsHDb.566151$Tr4.1535566@attbi_s03, Michael 182 at
wrote on 12/16/03 9:40 AM:


As an interesting aside, George McGovern, who ran against Nixon (and was
trounced, of course) on a strong anti-war platform during Vietnam, was a
war
hero during WWII. During his campaign he expressley refused to allow his
military service to be discussed, or, more importantly, compared to
Nixon's.

I highly doubt it would have swayed very many voters even if they'd known
of
McGovern's war record. Much is made during campaigns of whether a
candidate
served or avoided service, but voters have usually already made up their
minds regardless.

Besides, if service in wartime were the benchmark for being an electable
candidate, we'd have a pitifully small pool to draw from.

Wasn't he on Sesame Street?



"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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We haven't had an intelligent president since Grover Cleveland.

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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If I remember correctly, McGovern lost 49 or 50 states, or something like
that. His military record would have made no difference. I just think the
irony is interesting.


McGovern's war record was known, he just choose not to trade on it (to his
credit).

While McGovern lost badly (he only carried DC) he also had a political
program similar to Howard Dean's today.

Interestingly, when he quit politics, he owned and operated a hotel back
East, which went bankrupt. He later said, to effect, that "If knew when in
office what I know now, my voting would have been very different.", (he had
a very anti-business voting record).

Tom
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"Michael 182" wrote in message
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Maybe I was unclear. I said there was some skepticism, which there
certainly
is. I believe if you look at my previous post I was supporting Bush,
which,
by the way, I almost never do on any other issue. If that wasn't clear I
wrote it poorly. Given that I never served in the military I am in no
position, nor am I questioning Bush's service. Or anyone else's.


Especially since Bob's post is a blatent non-sequitur.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article JsHDb.566151$Tr4.1535566@attbi_s03, "Michael 182"
wrote:

Everything can be analyzed on a continuium. Yes, President Bush did
server
in the National Guard. There is some question about his motives, hence
the
skepticism.

Several of my uncles joined rather than waiting to be drafted.
I guess you want to question their motives...

--
Bob Noel

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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Wasn't he on Sesame Street?


No...you're thinking of "Gonzo"; he was president from 1933-1945.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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We haven't had an intelligent president since Grover Cleveland.

"Montblack" wrote in message
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Bush has the great (double) misfortune of being:

1. One of our least intelligent Presidents.
2. Following one of the most intelligent Presidents this country has ever
had.


Bush is clearly more intelligent than Clinton. Now, you'll of course
disagree with that, but if you examine their administrations you find that
Bush has accomplished more in three years than Clinton did in eight.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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Hey, at least he made President Carter look good.


Carter was a poor president, no question about it. But when Carter spoke I
tended to believe he meant what he said, that he was sincere if misguided.
I never believed a word Clinton said.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm

The documents on this page aren't totally conclusive, but it would appear
from the available evidence that Mr. Bush was AWOL.


So now I just have to sort through those documents to find support for your
position?

"Montblack" wrote

2. Following one of the most intelligent Presidents this country has ever
had.
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Montblack

You are kidding, right?
--
Jim in NC

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Montblack" wrote in message
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Bush has the great (double) misfortune of being:

1. One of our least intelligent Presidents.
2. Following one of the most intelligent Presidents this country has
ever
had.


Bush is clearly more intelligent than Clinton. Now, you'll of course
disagree with that, but if you examine their administrations you find that
Bush has accomplished more in three years than Clinton did in eight.

At least he didn't screw up as much stuff as Clinton did (and yes, he did
lay the ground work for running the 90's boom into the ditch).

I shudder to think what would have happened, post 9/11, if Gore had been in
office.

That said, I'll not vote to re-elect Bush, but I also shudder to think where
we'll end up with Dean, or worse yet, Hillary in office.